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<blockquote data-quote="Ryllini" data-source="post: 1174367" data-attributes="member: 10826"><p>Nothing against Michael Wacha, I like him a lot, but I would suggest to you and the rest if the fanbase to check out Odorizzi. Let's not act like he is substantially older than MW, he is only 25 compared to 24. He has been the main return piece in two trades, one involving Grienke and one Shields. He isn't just some throw in, teams have seen his value.</p><p></p><p>For comparison sake, they are very similar, but I will tell you that JO plays on a significantly worse team in the Rays and he plays in a significantly deeper league in the AL, but his numbers last year don't lie. They are different pitchers, but put up similar numbers. JO is a ground ball pitcher with a nice splitter and cut fastball. He has more pitches at this point than MW.</p><p></p><p>For what you claim that MW is one of the best pitchers in baseball, well JO's numbers were slightly better across the board. He had a better ERA, WHIP, FIP, WAR, SO9, and BB9 all against better and deeper lineups in the AL. </p><p></p><p>I may have worded it a 3 for 1 in this deal, but obviously we would need to get another piece in return, but a trade like the one I suggested would free us of Matt Adams, clearing room for a Piscotty or maybe Holliday take over at first. Odorizzi and Wacha are virtually on the same deal: under team control through 2019 and not eligible for arbitration until 2017.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ryllini, post: 1174367, member: 10826"] Nothing against Michael Wacha, I like him a lot, but I would suggest to you and the rest if the fanbase to check out Odorizzi. Let's not act like he is substantially older than MW, he is only 25 compared to 24. He has been the main return piece in two trades, one involving Grienke and one Shields. He isn't just some throw in, teams have seen his value. For comparison sake, they are very similar, but I will tell you that JO plays on a significantly worse team in the Rays and he plays in a significantly deeper league in the AL, but his numbers last year don't lie. They are different pitchers, but put up similar numbers. JO is a ground ball pitcher with a nice splitter and cut fastball. He has more pitches at this point than MW. For what you claim that MW is one of the best pitchers in baseball, well JO's numbers were slightly better across the board. He had a better ERA, WHIP, FIP, WAR, SO9, and BB9 all against better and deeper lineups in the AL. I may have worded it a 3 for 1 in this deal, but obviously we would need to get another piece in return, but a trade like the one I suggested would free us of Matt Adams, clearing room for a Piscotty or maybe Holliday take over at first. Odorizzi and Wacha are virtually on the same deal: under team control through 2019 and not eligible for arbitration until 2017. [/QUOTE]
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