The Illinois Coaching Staff Search

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I have doubts about being able to pull George McDonald as co-OC considering that's his title at NC State and they are now squared away. But these are the type of guys that I would want to bring in that have a (1) connection to Illinois and (2) connection to Bielema. Looking at McDonald's performance as OC at Syracuse isn't a confidence builder. Then again, he took over (1) after Marrone left, (2) Ryan Nassib graduated, and (3) the Cuse transitioned from Big East to ACC. That's a tough draw.

Another Illini name (no association with Bielema) that could garner some consideration would be Aaron Moorehead. Currently the WR coach for the Eagles and has done the same role at Vanderbilt, Texas A&M, and Virginia Tech. Has been successful recruiting down in Texas. Originally from Deerfield. Question is what prompted him to jump up to the pros and whether he wants to come back down to college.
Guys, McDonald isn’t a Co-OC at NC State. He was last year with Des Kitchings (who was RB coach at S. Car) and it was a disaster. George is a great recruiter, and Doeren wanted to keep him around, so his new titles are passing game coordinator, recruiting coordinator, and associate head coach or some crap.

I don’t know if it was George or Des, but the offense last year at NC State was one of the worse I saw, behind whatever crap Canada ran his last year at NC State.
 
#77      
Let’s be fair to Peters. What did he do to walk into the game and get basically benched? How focused could he really be with coaches clearly having a hidden agenda?

OAN IW maybe the best corner on the team. Played a heck of a corner in high school.

I mean...he did start a game 8-8 and then went like 2-11 after that. That is a reason.

Peters is inconsistent. When he is on he is on when he is off woof. Williams passing is not good but has gotten better as the season has gone on. Excited to see what he can do. Maybe he is the answer maybe he is not.
 
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I mean...he did start a game 8-8 and then went like 2-11 after that. That is a reason.

Peters is inconsistent. When he is on he is on when he is off woof. Williams passing is not good but has gotten better as the season has gone on. Excited to see what he can do. Maybe he is the answer maybe he is not.
IW was 7/18 for 100 and 23 points against Rutgers. He was 8/18 for 120 and 21 points against Penn State. He is pretty consistent.
Based on what I seen Saturday, I am not sure if the OC was working with Patterson to get IW opportunities this year by bad play calling with Peters. Can’t say that for sure but the actions Saturday said a lot. Just my perspective.
 
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IW was 7/18 for 100 and 23 points against Rutgers. He was 8/18 for 120 and 21 points against Penn State. He is pretty consistent.
Based on what I seen Saturday, I am not sure if the OC was working with Patterson to get IW opportunities this year by bad play calling with Peters. Can’t say that for sure but the actions Saturday said a lot. Just my perspective.

That is a bold statement. Not saying you are wrong bc I have no clue. I saw improvement from him in the passing game. Like I said though. Still not good. I was surprised that they rode with IW the whole game. Not sure what the purpose of the very first play of the game was and then just taking Peters out. Time will tell!
 
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That is a bold statement. Not saying you are wrong bc I have no clue. I saw improvement from him in the passing game. Like I said though. Still not good. I was surprised that they rode with IW the whole game. Not sure what the purpose of the very first play of the game was and then just taking Peters out. Time will tell!

FWIW I think the first play of the game was just a single play that Rod had been setting up all season and wanted to run. I noticed at least 3 other games our first offensive play had IW in at slot and use motion with him only to not really see him much in that position again all game. He clearly wanted to reap what he setup with that first play before moving to his “real” starting QB
 
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I mean...he did start a game 8-8 and then went like 2-11 after that. That is a reason.

Peters is inconsistent. When he is on he is on when he is off woof. Williams passing is not good but has gotten better as the season has gone on. Excited to see what he can do. Maybe he is the answer maybe he is not.
With Covid impacting the season this year maybe some things get thrown out. But was I the only one who thought Peters could be a capable QB this year? He did string some good games toward the end of last season. I was probably hoping for to much from him this year but he just didn't take the jump I was thinking he would. I never expected a top QB in our conference but sorely disappointed.
 
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Who knows at this time who will be our qb going into 21. Maybe BB will bring in an OC that can utilize IW's gifts as a qb. I still wonder what happened to Peters starting from the Wisc game throughout the season. He didn't look the same as a qb from last season. The new staff will have to be guys who can recruit and know the game. No more family members or guys that don't have the experience. Moorhead would be an excellent pick up if possible. Looking forward to next season.
 
#84      
Well maybe Jack Coan's family remembers the Beilema days of Wisconsin lore and he chooses the Ilini as his home next year. I think that gives BB a good starting QB, and I fully expect a as traveled as BB is that he will have more than one option for capable OC's. One would have to guess that he has a pretty good idea of what he wants the team to run already. I understand it has to fit his personnel, but all of those guys know what they think works.
 
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Well maybe Jack Coan's family remembers the Beilema days of Wisconsin lore and he chooses the Ilini as his home next year. I think that gives BB a good starting QB, and I fully expect a as traveled as BB is that he will have more than one option for capable OC's. One would have to guess that he has a pretty good idea of what he wants the team to run already. I understand it has to fit his personnel, but all of those guys know what they think works.
anybody know what kind of offense BB likes to run? all run? balanced? passing?
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
One thing to note about Bielema at Arkansas: He lost a ton of key assistants to lateralish moves.

Chris Ash was DC, left after year 1 to become co-DC at Ohio State (other co-DC was our pal Luke Fickell)
Jim Chaney was OC, left after year 2 to become OC at Pitt
Sam Pittman was AHC/OL/RC and the best recruiter, left after year 3 to become OL coach at Georgia
Robb Smith was Ash's replacement as DC, left after year 4 to become DC at Minnesota

One of his three biggest staff pieces left for a non-promotion after every season. Gives one pause.

By contrast he only lost Chryst and Doeren at Wisconsin to quality head coaching opportunities.
 
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ILLINIShox24

Orange Krush '04 & '05
One thing to note about Bielema at Arkansas: He lost a ton of key assistants to lateralish moves.

Chris Ash was DC, left after year 1 to become co-DC at Ohio State (other co-DC was our pal Luke Fickell)
Jim Chaney was OC, left after year 2 to become OC at Pitt
Sam Pittman was AHC/OL/RC and the best recruiter, left after year 3 to become OL coach at Georgia
Robb Smith was Ash's replacement as DC, left after year 4 to become DC at Minnesota

One of his three biggest staff pieces left for a non-promotion after every season. Gives one pause.

By contrast he only lost Chryst and Doeren at Wisconsin to quality head coaching opportunities.
I wonder if they were hopping off the train of someone that was in a personal downward spiral. Now that he (hopefully) has things straightened out, perhaps there will be more stability and a more likable staff to work on. Speculating obviously, but lateral moves are odd.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
I wonder if they were hopping off the train of someone that was in a personal downward spiral. Now that he (hopefully) has things straightened out, perhaps there will be more stability and a more likable staff to work on. Speculating obviously, but lateral moves are odd.
When substance abuse is the OPTIMISTIC interpretation of what went wrong at Arkansas, man we really better hope Whitman did his homework.

But a lot went right at Arkansas, so I don't know if that narrative fits.

Here's a fun one, Bielema teams ranked per F+ (I'll use the percentage figures to keep it apples to apples)

2014 Arkansas: +44.9%
2011 Wisconsin: +43.5%
2012 Wisconsin: +36.8%
2015 Arkansas: +36.7%
2010 Wisconsin: +35.8%
2009 Wisconsin: +34.9%
2006 Wisconsin: +23.7%
2007 Wisconsin: +19.7%
2016 Arkansas: +7.9%
2008 Wisconsin: +7.9%
2013 Arkansas: -10.1%
2017 Arkansas: -21.0%
 
#89      
What does Samari Collier look like compared to the returning QB's that the Illini have? If he enrolls and gets the same spring and summer practice as everyone else, all QB's would be on the same page learning a new offense. We certainly wouldn't be the first team ever to start a true freshman at QB.
 
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FT35

Naperville
Let’s be fair to Peters. What did he do to walk into the game and get basically benched? How focused could he really be with coaches clearly having a hidden agenda?

OAN IW maybe the best corner on the team. Played a heck of a corner in high school.

Isaiah Williams hasn't played CB since he was a Sophomore in High School. Moving him there now just doesn't make a lot of sense, especially if Hobbs returns.

Also, it's silly to imply that they were intentionally sabotaging Brandon Peters in order to get Isaiah more snaps. Brandon was the clear QB1 heading into the season. If Rod Smith has been favoring anyone it would be Robinson, who was QB2 last year and the only QB that he handpicked in the Class of 2018. Isaiah was getting snaps because Brandon got COVID and struggled at times when he did play.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
When substance abuse is the OPTIMISTIC interpretation of what went wrong at Arkansas, man we really better hope Whitman did his homework.

But a lot went right at Arkansas, so I don't know if that narrative fits.

Here's a fun one, Bielema teams ranked per F+ (I'll use the percentage figures to keep it apples to apples)

2014 Arkansas: +44.9%
2011 Wisconsin: +43.5%
2012 Wisconsin: +36.8%
2015 Arkansas: +36.7%
2010 Wisconsin: +35.8%
2009 Wisconsin: +34.9%
2006 Wisconsin: +23.7%
2007 Wisconsin: +19.7%
2016 Arkansas: +7.9%
2008 Wisconsin: +7.9%
2013 Arkansas: -10.1%
2017 Arkansas: -21.0%
If you're wondering how the 7-6 Arkansas team from 2014 is Bielema's best ever per advanced stats, here are the rankings of their SEC opponents:

#2 Alabama - Lost by a point
#4 Georgia - Lost by 13
#5 Ole Miss - Won 30-0
#7 Auburn - Got blown out on the road in Week 1, their only convincing loss
#13 Mississippi State - Lost by a touchdown on the road when MSU was ranked #1
#20 Mizzou - Lost by a touchdown on the road
#22 LSU - Won 17-0
#42 Texas A&M - Lost in overtime in Dallas

They also won at #82 Texas Tech, a bowl against #53 Texas, and at home against #69 Northern Illinois, #79 UAB, and Nicholls State, all five of them by at least 21 points.
 
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Isaiah Williams hasn't played CB since he was a Sophomore in High School. Moving him there now just doesn't make a lot of sense, especially if Hobbs returns.

Also, it's silly to imply that they were intentionally sabotaging Brandon Peters in order to get Isaiah more snaps. Brandon was the clear QB1 heading into the season. If Rod Smith has been favoring anyone it would be Robinson, who was QB2 last year and the only QB that he handpicked in the Class of 2018. Isaiah was getting snaps because Brandon got COVID and struggled at times when he did play.

1. IW played CB his senior year in EVERY big game including the State Championship against the kid #6 for Ohio State. Please watch the film.

2. Explain why IW played the entire game pretty much against Penn State? I stated what it looked like to me. What I can say is the offense was very basic this year. The move didn't make sense to me and I gave an opinion.
 
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FT35

Naperville
IW was 7/18 for 100 and 23 points against Rutgers. He was 8/18 for 120 and 21 points against Penn State. He is pretty consistent.
Based on what I seen Saturday, I am not sure if the OC was working with Patterson to get IW opportunities this year by bad play calling with Peters. Can’t say that for sure but the actions Saturday said a lot. Just my perspective.

Patterson is/was the TE coach. How much influence could he possibly have had in terms of play calling? They could have moved on from Brandon after the Rutgers game, but Brandon started against Nebraska and played very well in that game. He struggled at times in every other game he started.
 
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Patterson is/was the TE coach. How much influence could he possibly have had in terms of play calling? They could have moved on from Brandon after the Rutgers game, but Brandon started against Nebraska and played very well in that game. He struggled at times in every other game he started.

I understand the basic thought. I also understand that all those coaches were interviewing Saturday. Cory is very close with IW and it is important for him to give him a shot at QB. I get it and understand why. After the 4th or 5th 3 and out, I thought I would see a QB change but it didn't happen until late. It just didn't make sense to me.
 
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FT35

Naperville
1. IW played CB his senior year in EVERY big game including the State Championship against the kid #6 for Ohio State. Please watch the film.

2. Explain why IW played the entire game pretty much against Penn State? I stated what it looked like to me. What I can say is the offense was very basic this year. The move didn't make sense to me and I gave an opinion.

1. There are no highlights of him playing CB in his Junior or Senior film. The only highlights I've seen of him playing CB are in his Sophomore film.

2. They went with IW because he was the better option. I respect your opinion, but you're wrong on this one.
 
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1. There are no highlights of him playing CB in his Junior or Senior film. The only highlights I've seen of him playing CB are in his Sophomore film.

2. They went with IW because he was the better option. I respect your opinion, but you're wrong on this one.

I saw the games, not highlights. This is something I am not guessing about, this is something I know (IW playing defense).

2. I respect your opinion as well but, saying a running QB is the better option against a team who struggles against the pass on defense doesn't make sense to me. There is no way you watched Penn State and thought if we do what we did against Rutgers we would have a chance to win. If you did, that is where we differ. Most teams threw for 200 plus yards against them. I will agree to disagree on this one.
 
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The element that everything else is going to need to flow from is making a decision on IW.

IW is the most talented player on the team, and he will return next year for his third college season as a FRESHMAN quarterback. He also could not have played quarterback for any previous Bielema team, period, full stop.

If IW is Bielema's guy, the OC choice has to flow from that, and it most likely means stepping away from everyone I named earlier. Retaining CPatt may be a non-negotiable part of that as well. Say goodbye to Peters and go get a transfer that fits as well.

If Bielema needs a more traditional QB, job #1 would be finding a suitable QB in the transfer market AND looking for a prep one for February to develop AND recruiting Peters to stay. It is crucial that he immediately fills his QB room with options that can execute what he wants to do, and critically, run his stuff for the entire roster in practice. Lovie's failure to do that was devastating to the development of the entire offense. They literally didn't have guys to adequately practice stuff with WR's.

And if it's the latter option, we all know it ends with IW transferring. Is ripping the band-aid now the best option? What does that mean for CPatt? What does CPatt mean for the St. Louis market? Would they stick around for a year to try things out at WR? Would that just make everyone miserable and poison your culture?

A lot of new coaches come in and there's a heavily recruited starting QB in the center of the locker room they need to take a position on. For that player to be returning as a freshman, and to be totally incompatible with your historical offense, makes for a pretty unprecedented conundrum.

I just really hope there isn't a lot of flowery, coachspeak pretending that IW can be Scott Tolzien. That would be a terrible waste of precious time in Bielema's tenure and guarantee total uncompetitiveness next season.
Love everything you post. A lot of good stuff in here, but I think you're way over-exaggerating the IW thing. Bielema is not going to choose an OC based on if he thinks the redshirt freshman 2nd string QB is his guy after barely analyzing his film/practice/games. Bielema is going to choose the OC he likes best and trusts most. The OC will have a huge say in what type of QB they want and how they use the QB.

Now, I'm going to assume Bielema will really look deep into the roster and try to determine what guys he likes. He will recognize that IW is the highest rated recruit on the roster and will try to keep him. We don't know if that means as a WR, QB, slash, etc. We also don't know if that will require keeping Patterson. Either way, Bielema will do what he wants with the staff, and it will have very little to do with what players are already here.
 
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FT35

Naperville
I saw the games, not highlights. This is something I am not guessing about, this is something I know (IW playing defense).

2. I respect your opinion as well but, saying a running QB is the better option against a team who struggles against the pass on defense doesn't make sense to me. There is no way you watched Penn State and thought if we do what we did against Rutgers we would have a chance to win. If you did, that is where we differ. Most teams threw for 200 plus yards against them. I will agree to disagree on this one.
1. Understood. I know you are there for most of the games. I was under the impression that they decided to stick with him at QB after his Sophomore season since he was so valuable to them at that position. The highlights must have focused on where he wanted to play at the next level.

2. I didn't watch any other Penn State games this year. I saw all of the games that Brandon started, however, and the Nebraska game was the only one in which he didn't struggle. There's nothing I've seen to imply that Brandon was sabotaged via play calling, however. I know Cory is like a father to IW but these guys were coaching for their jobs up until this last game, which was just a glorified exhibition.
 
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Here's a fun one, Bielema teams ranked per F+ (I'll use the percentage figures to keep it apples to apples)

2014 Arkansas: +44.9%
2011 Wisconsin: +43.5%
2012 Wisconsin: +36.8%
2015 Arkansas: +36.7%
2010 Wisconsin: +35.8%
2009 Wisconsin: +34.9%
2006 Wisconsin: +23.7%
2007 Wisconsin: +19.7%
2016 Arkansas: +7.9%
2008 Wisconsin: +7.9%
2013 Arkansas: -10.1%
2017 Arkansas: -21.0%

Can someone give me a quick overview of what these numbers mean? I'm not familiar with the F+ ratings/rankings.
 
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