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<blockquote data-quote="Ransom Stoddard" data-source="post: 1944542" data-attributes="member: 10336"><p>I went to the PSU game with a guy who used to be (don't know if he still is) Loyalty Circle and had been on Guenther's speed dial for RG's entire tenure. He's still got connections and communication with big players, and he states unequivocally that Kingfisher isn't going to happen, and also that Chief's return is never going to happen. I had a great conversation with him and learned a lot about some of the politics in play.</p><p></p><p>This guy happened to have taken part in a gathering somewhere out west (not sure of the timeline, but I think it was post-Chief retirement) that included a bunch of UI high-rollers and leaders from a number of tribes, with the purpose of having a dialogue and to see if there was a path to an agreement similar to that between the Seminole and FSU. The leaders from the Peoria (the last vestige of the Illini Confederation) were adamantly opposed to even discussing Chief, wanted the university to return the regalia to the Sioux, and wanted the image of the Chief to go away forever. Their basis for this was a) Chief's regalia and war paint was nothing like what any of the Illiniwek would have worn--the headdress in particular; b) Chief's dance was more related to "fancy dancing", which Illiniwek did not engage in; and c) the image/logo of Chief was also inauthentic due to the headdress. </p><p></p><p>The discussion of "honor" came up a time or two, and reps from several tribes made comments to the effect of "we don't need white people to honor our heritage, we can do it ourselves and do it correctly."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ransom Stoddard, post: 1944542, member: 10336"] I went to the PSU game with a guy who used to be (don't know if he still is) Loyalty Circle and had been on Guenther's speed dial for RG's entire tenure. He's still got connections and communication with big players, and he states unequivocally that Kingfisher isn't going to happen, and also that Chief's return is never going to happen. I had a great conversation with him and learned a lot about some of the politics in play. This guy happened to have taken part in a gathering somewhere out west (not sure of the timeline, but I think it was post-Chief retirement) that included a bunch of UI high-rollers and leaders from a number of tribes, with the purpose of having a dialogue and to see if there was a path to an agreement similar to that between the Seminole and FSU. The leaders from the Peoria (the last vestige of the Illini Confederation) were adamantly opposed to even discussing Chief, wanted the university to return the regalia to the Sioux, and wanted the image of the Chief to go away forever. Their basis for this was a) Chief's regalia and war paint was nothing like what any of the Illiniwek would have worn--the headdress in particular; b) Chief's dance was more related to "fancy dancing", which Illiniwek did not engage in; and c) the image/logo of Chief was also inauthentic due to the headdress. The discussion of "honor" came up a time or two, and reps from several tribes made comments to the effect of "we don't need white people to honor our heritage, we can do it ourselves and do it correctly." [/QUOTE]
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