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<blockquote data-quote="Point-Illinois" data-source="post: 1938403" data-attributes="member: 747217"><p>I’m right there with you.</p><p></p><p>It must be just that it’s super rare for the play to be dead before a penalty.</p><p></p><p>One, it has to be 4th down so that the dead ball would technically be an immediate change of possession.</p><p></p><p>Two, there would have to be an offensive player holding the ball, running to gain a first down. Since most 4th downs are punts or field goals, we don’t get as many chances to see this particular scenario.</p><p></p><p>And finally, even if we check the first two boxes (QB sneaks, 4th and 1 plays…etc) the rare part would be the penalty AFTER the runner has gone down or stepped out of bounds.</p><p></p><p>It must be that when we see these back breaking penalties that keep drives alive, they are either on 3rd down or before the runner is down on 4th down.</p><p></p><p>Now I will say, one situation that I FEEL I’ve seen before (but can’t remember the game/team) is our player getting an unnecessary roughness on 4th down for tackling/pushing a guy that was already being tackled out of bounds. Which means the penalty should have been assessed after the change of possession. Instead the drive was extended.</p><p></p><p>I swear it was on 4th down but maybe it was third and/or the unnecessary roughness part of the contact was before the player was OOB. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Point-Illinois, post: 1938403, member: 747217"] I’m right there with you. It must be just that it’s super rare for the play to be dead before a penalty. One, it has to be 4th down so that the dead ball would technically be an immediate change of possession. Two, there would have to be an offensive player holding the ball, running to gain a first down. Since most 4th downs are punts or field goals, we don’t get as many chances to see this particular scenario. And finally, even if we check the first two boxes (QB sneaks, 4th and 1 plays…etc) the rare part would be the penalty AFTER the runner has gone down or stepped out of bounds. It must be that when we see these back breaking penalties that keep drives alive, they are either on 3rd down or before the runner is down on 4th down. Now I will say, one situation that I FEEL I’ve seen before (but can’t remember the game/team) is our player getting an unnecessary roughness on 4th down for tackling/pushing a guy that was already being tackled out of bounds. Which means the penalty should have been assessed after the change of possession. Instead the drive was extended. I swear it was on 4th down but maybe it was third and/or the unnecessary roughness part of the contact was before the player was OOB. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [/QUOTE]
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