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West Virginia 89, Illinois 57 POSTGAME
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<blockquote data-quote="rcataldo" data-source="post: 1248159" data-attributes="member: 581707"><p>While it does appear that sentiment has shifted quite a bit here, I still find it very surprising that people are defending Groce. Is the talent as strong as some of us would like to think it is? Probably not. However FOR YEARS we have never had a team that has been better than the sum of its parts, and you could even argue it's been worse. The team has never been through a slump like this in my time as an Illini fan. We fired Weber (who had to go) for missing the tourney three times in his tenure, but Groce misses 3 (maybe 4 years in a row) and there are still some who thinks he needs a chance?</p><p></p><p>Groce has shown no ability to get more from his team. We underperform against high ranked teams, we underperform against our Big Ten competition. Even in the ONE year we made the tourney under Groce we finished below .500 in the Big Ten. We started 2-7 and only through a late season push were we able to get to 8-10. A few big wins and we BARELY snuck in the tournament.</p><p></p><p>Finally, if you want to criticize the talent, then you have to look no farther than Groce. He's had 5 years now. That means he has had a class come in become seniors and yet we have not made a tournament (and looks like we won't this year). We can't allow ONE big recruit to dictate the direction of our program. I suppose you give Groce the year at this point, but if he doesn't make it he has to go. You add up the on court failures and the off court challenges, there is no defense for him anymore.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rcataldo, post: 1248159, member: 581707"] While it does appear that sentiment has shifted quite a bit here, I still find it very surprising that people are defending Groce. Is the talent as strong as some of us would like to think it is? Probably not. However FOR YEARS we have never had a team that has been better than the sum of its parts, and you could even argue it's been worse. The team has never been through a slump like this in my time as an Illini fan. We fired Weber (who had to go) for missing the tourney three times in his tenure, but Groce misses 3 (maybe 4 years in a row) and there are still some who thinks he needs a chance? Groce has shown no ability to get more from his team. We underperform against high ranked teams, we underperform against our Big Ten competition. Even in the ONE year we made the tourney under Groce we finished below .500 in the Big Ten. We started 2-7 and only through a late season push were we able to get to 8-10. A few big wins and we BARELY snuck in the tournament. Finally, if you want to criticize the talent, then you have to look no farther than Groce. He's had 5 years now. That means he has had a class come in become seniors and yet we have not made a tournament (and looks like we won't this year). We can't allow ONE big recruit to dictate the direction of our program. I suppose you give Groce the year at this point, but if he doesn't make it he has to go. You add up the on court failures and the off court challenges, there is no defense for him anymore. [/QUOTE]
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