Zion Williamson injured after his Nikes break during UNC game

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sacraig

The desert
On PTI last night Tony K (can't spell last name) was going off on all the law suits he thinks should be coming down the road. Pretty funny if not so serious.

People still watch PTI?

Look, Nike has no legal exposure here whatsoever and I don't know why people think they do. This is 100% a PR problem, and even then it's minor. NCAA sponsorships are a big deal and the effect it might have on ability to land him for an NBA sponsorship is bigger, but Nike's reach is so much broader. Lots of people even in this country don't follow NCAA basketball but do follow other sports, and then you've still got the entire rest of the world.
 
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To avoid lawsuits, every Nike box will now have some small print on it somewhere that says the shoe may blow out if you make too athletic of a move.
 
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People still watch PTI?

Look, Nike has no legal exposure here whatsoever and I don't know why people think they do. This is 100% a PR problem, and even then it's minor. NCAA sponsorships are a big deal and the effect it might have on ability to land him for an NBA sponsorship is bigger, but Nike's reach is so much broader. Lots of people even in this country don't follow NCAA basketball but do follow other sports, and then you've still got the entire rest of the world.
Are you sure about this? Doesn't Nike at least implicitly warrant that their basketball shoes are fit for the particular purpose of playing basketball? A brand new shoe should not blow out the first time you put your foot wrong.
 
#29      

skyIdub

Winged Warrior
really wonder if this will scare ZW and his inner circle enough to sit out the rest of the season. at the very least, to take out a sizable insurance policy. not sure you can get a policy big enough to insure how much he could make on even his first contract if he stays healthy though.

regardless, was surprised to see duke roll over like that after he went out. this is a team with multiple 5* guys at every position, including two other potential top 5 picks in this draft in reddish and barrett (talent most other teams only dream of). to see them lay over like that when they could have really elevated their own individual stocks by putting the team on their backs after the emotional let down of losing zion was surprising.

Already has it.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...has-8-million-loss-of-value-insurance-policy/
 
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Interesting that Duke can pay for the insurance policy. How is that different from a direct payment for a car, etc.?
 
#34      

Bailey

Los Angeles
Just FYI, we wear this shoe (although less since the Kobe model arrived). It's the grey pair.
 
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JW better be getting on the phone to this insurance company toot sweet, if we want Ayo to stick around for another year.
 
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SKane

Tennessee
People still watch PTI?

Look, Nike has no legal exposure here whatsoever and I don't know why people think they do. This is 100% a PR problem, and even then it's minor. NCAA sponsorships are a big deal and the effect it might have on ability to land him for an NBA sponsorship is bigger, but Nike's reach is so much broader. Lots of people even in this country don't follow NCAA basketball but do follow other sports, and then you've still got the entire rest of the world.

Below is an SI article which indicates that Nike has legal exposure.

https://www.si.com/college-basketba...unc-north-carolina-nike-sneakers-legal-impact
 
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haasi

New York
Below is an SI article which indicates that Nike has legal exposure.

https://www.si.com/college-basketba...unc-north-carolina-nike-sneakers-legal-impact
Good analysis of potential legal exposure and theories. The injury appears pretty minor so this is all moot. Even if it were not and injury was career ending, I think it’s very unlikely that there would be a suit- as the SI piece says, Nike would want to get rid of this as quickly and quietly as possibly. My guess would be a substantial confidential settlement without anything filed.
 
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sacraig

The desert
Below is an SI article which indicates that Nike has legal exposure.

https://www.si.com/college-basketba...unc-north-carolina-nike-sneakers-legal-impact

That's an interesting read, though I have a really hard time believing a company should be liable for something like this unless it was proven that they were somehow negligent. It seems to me thay they make millions of other identical sneakers that perform as intended without failing, which would be proof that they do their diligence to craft a quality product and remove defective specimens. It is literally impossible to remove all defective items. No matter what, some always sneak through. It's just a freak occurrence that it happened to who it did, when it did.
 
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That's an interesting read, though I have a really hard time believing a company should be liable for something like this unless it was proven that they were somehow negligent. It seems to me thay they make millions of other identical sneakers that perform as intended without failing, which would be proof that they do their diligence to craft a quality product and remove defective specimens. It is literally impossible to remove all defective items. No matter what, some always sneak through. It's just a freak occurrence that it happened to who it did, when it did.

I am not a lawyer, but this would certainly come on product liability, not ordinary negligence. The bar is often much lower. You allude to that by comparing their manufacturing, so maybe you're already thinking about it. That area of the law can get quite complicated, and from what I've read there is a contract between Nike and the University with it's own terms, as well as between the athlete and the University. I'm sure it would be an epic showdown in court, which it would never get to because Nike has too much at stake to let it drag on. The fact that these shoes are often produced in horrific conditions in poor countries with extraordinarily low worker protections (i.e. none at all) with terrible environmental conditions as well, simply makes it a certainty that this is handled as quietly as possible under the circumstances. Nike is a marketing company, and handling public relations is their strong suit.

My best guess:

1. They offer him a contract way in excess of what they would normally give a top draft pick, he takes it and says great things about Nike
2. Business as usual.
3. Shoes will continue to fail occasionally, and there will be plenty of frivolous lawsuits.
4. People will continue to act like people do, until the robots and AI take over, consolidating power in the hands of a few who control them.
5. Step 4 will make shoes irrelevant, as the remaining oligarchs swear off shoes as something for mere commoners. They will prefer to wear soft slippers, and have the robots roll out portable carpets in front of them where-ever they walk.

I have more, but you'd probably think I was crazy....
 
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I am not a lawyer, but this would certainly come on product liability, not ordinary negligence. The bar is often much lower. You allude to that by comparing their manufacturing, so maybe you're already thinking about it. That area of the law can get quite complicated, and from what I've read there is a contract between Nike and the University with it's own terms, as well as between the athlete and the University. I'm sure it would be an epic showdown in court, which it would never get to because Nike has too much at stake to let it drag on. The fact that these shoes are often produced in horrific conditions in poor countries with extraordinarily low worker protections (i.e. none at all) with terrible environmental conditions as well, simply makes it a certainty that this is handled as quietly as possible under the circumstances. Nike is a marketing company, and handling public relations is their strong suit.

My best guess:

1. They offer him a contract way in excess of what they would normally give a top draft pick, he takes it and says great things about Nike
2. Business as usual.
3. Shoes will continue to fail occasionally, and there will be plenty of frivolous lawsuits.
4. People will continue to act like people do, until the robots and AI take over, consolidating power in the hands of a few who control them.
5. Step 4 will make shoes irrelevant, as the remaining oligarchs swear off shoes as something for mere commoners. They will prefer to wear soft slippers, and have the robots roll out portable carpets in front of them where-ever they walk.

I have more, but you'd probably think I was crazy....

I am a complete non-athlete, so forgive me if this seems naive, but is shoe failure a thing? How often does a brand new shoe "blow out" in the middle of a game. I've never seen or read of such a thing, but then again there are lots of things I've never seen or read...
 
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haasi

New York
That's an interesting read, though I have a really hard time believing a company should be liable for something like this unless it was proven that they were somehow negligent. It seems to me thay they make millions of other identical sneakers that perform as intended without failing, which would be proof that they do their diligence to craft a quality product and remove defective specimens. It is literally impossible to remove all defective items. No matter what, some always sneak through. It's just a freak occurrence that it happened to who it did, when it did.
There are two types of standard product defect claims - 1- design defect (meaning that it’s an across the board design issue) and 2- manufacturing defect- meaning company screwed up an individual item that caused harm. Company is responsible for QC, and if someone gets hurt as a result of defective product, company is on the hook, even if damages happen to be exorbitant (as they would be if Zion suffered career ending injury)
 
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haasi

New York
I am not a lawyer, but this would certainly come on product liability, not ordinary negligence. The bar is often much lower. You allude to that by comparing their manufacturing, so maybe you're already thinking about it. That area of the law can get quite complicated, and from what I've read there is a contract between Nike and the University with it's own terms, as well as between the athlete and the University. I'm sure it would be an epic showdown in court, which it would never get to because Nike has too much at stake to let it drag on. The fact that these shoes are often produced in horrific conditions in poor countries with extraordinarily low worker protections (i.e. none at all) with terrible environmental conditions as well, simply makes it a certainty that this is handled as quietly as possible under the circumstances. Nike is a marketing company, and handling public relations is their strong suit.

My best guess:

1. They offer him a contract way in excess of what they would normally give a top draft pick, he takes it and says great things about Nike
2. Business as usual.
3. Shoes will continue to fail occasionally, and there will be plenty of frivolous lawsuits.
4. People will continue to act like people do, until the robots and AI take over, consolidating power in the hands of a few who control them.
5. Step 4 will make shoes irrelevant, as the remaining oligarchs swear off shoes as something for mere commoners. They will prefer to wear soft slippers, and have the robots roll out portable carpets in front of them where-ever they walk.

I have more, but you'd probably think I was crazy....
I laughed. Thanks. Your post started off so normal
 
#43      

haasi

New York
Not often. Nike immediately called this an “isolated event” but then the internet went and found all the other instances of this happening with Nike shoes. Happened to ginobili and a few others in the nba.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-ba...zion-williamson-nike-blowout-2014-nba-history

I am a complete non-athlete, so forgive me if this seems naive, but is shoe failure a thing? How often does a brand new shoe "blow out" in the middle of a game. I've never seen or read of such a thing, but then again there are lots of things I've never seen or read...
 
#44      
From what the reporters are saying, Zion is going to come back and play. They say he's not a calculating type, and just loves playing ball. I'd hate to be a North Carolina fan, because you just know they want to avenge the loss, and if they do, all the pundits will write off their victory as being against a different team. The committee will probably do the same, frankly. Assuing all that happens, it's gonna suck beating a #1 seed and getting so little credit for it.