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Old Aug 7, 2017, 01:24 PM   #1726
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I think Udeze already cut us from his list.
Yes we did not make his final 10. He is also going to play his last year at Montverde

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Old Aug 7, 2017, 01:25 PM   #1727
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Not sure if this has been posted, but Castleton, Conditt, Griffin, Henry, Jaxson Hayes, Nate Hinton, Amanze Ngumezi, and Morris Udeze are all Illini targets mentioned as potentially rising in the rankings.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals....2018-rivals150
I believe we offered Hellems, too.

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Old Aug 7, 2017, 01:37 PM   #1728
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I believe we offered Hellems, too.
Hellems has also eliminated us.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 02:13 PM   #1729
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When someone says a player is a lock, but there is no verbal, I'm a skeptic. Here's how I think about it:

If:
(a) the player knows for certain where he wants to go; and
(b) the player has support for that decision from his family, HS/AAU coaches, etc; and
(c) the recruiting coach welcomes a verbal

Then:
(d) the player will make a verbal, especially if it will enhance the recruitment of other players and/or end the stress of the recruiting process ; or
(e) no verbal indicates one of the premises is false.

In addition, if a player continues to take OVs, even though he has verballed, I assume (a) is false.

The best indication that a player might verbal, regardless of the odds, is if the coaches remain in active pursuit. Those who say Ayo is a lock must explain why he has not verballed. Those who say THT no longer has interest in our program, must explain why the coaches are still actively recruiting him.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 02:22 PM   #1730
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I think Udeze already cut us from his list.
Point taken. I guess I am just happy we are on the short list for a lot of kids that seem to improving rapidly and/or getting increased attention.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 04:03 PM   #1731
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Henricksen: July rewind

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Old Aug 7, 2017, 06:12 PM   #1732
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MSU is gonna give 1 more ride, and THT and Henry are both in the running for it.

Where THT winds up is anyones guess right now. I still think he ends up in the B1G.

Really starting to think that the staff will only take Conditt or Castleton. First one to verbal takes it. Should be interesting to see that play out.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 06:19 PM   #1733
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IMO, think the Sparty offer was impressive for THT, but to many like him there. Still say Mildcats, Finke to Vandy, Ayo, Griffin, Castleton to . ATM way I see it.
Agree with the ILL prediction.

THT getting the offer from MSU surprised me, but the one that shocked me was the recent KU offer.

Don't think that Finke is a lock to Vandy though. Heard he is looking at tOSU very seriously.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 06:49 PM   #1734
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A few questions for those that may know: Who would we rather have, Conditt or Castleton? Which one makes more of an immediate impact? Potential? What are we getting if we got either one? From what I can tell, Conditt is a project but oozes potential. Castleton is a little less of a project, a great spot of shooter, and fills a very specific role in Underwood's offense.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 06:53 PM   #1735
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A few questions for those that may know: Who would we rather have, Conditt or Castleton? Which one makes more of an immediate impact? Potential? What are we getting if we got either one? From what I can tell, Conditt is a project but oozes potential. Castleton is a little less of a project, a great spot of shooter, and fills a very specific role in Underwood's offense.
I think the staff likes what both bring, but prefer Castleton. I think Castelton makes more of an impact in the beginning, but Conditt has more potential. Castleton would fit right in and be essentially what you are going to see from Finke this year.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 07:09 PM   #1736
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I think the staff likes what both bring, but prefer Castleton. I think Castelton makes more of an impact in the beginning, but Conditt has more potential. Castleton would fit right in and be essentially what you are going to see from Finke this year.
Agreed. This is a win-win, assuming we land one of them (which seems likely). The thing is, Conditt could completely blow up as a redshirt upperclassman (e.g. Kaminski). And, no, I'm not suggesting Conditt will be POY material. Just very intrigued by his potential and look out if he puts it together.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 07:22 PM   #1737
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I think the staff likes what both bring, but prefer Castleton. I think Castelton makes more of an impact in the beginning, but Conditt has more potential. Castleton would fit right in and be essentially what you are going to see from Finke this year.
Indy, doesn't Sow fit into this puzzle somewhere? Staff has seen him play an awful lot at both Peach Jam and Vegas.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 07:59 PM   #1738
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REALISTICALLY: Best guess: Who commits next?
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 08:21 PM   #1739
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When someone says a player is a lock, but there is no verbal, I'm a skeptic. Here's how I think about it:

If:
(a) the player knows for certain where he wants to go; and
(b) the player has support for that decision from his family, HS/AAU coaches, etc; and
(c) the recruiting coach welcomes a verbal

Then:
(d) the player will make a verbal, especially if it will enhance the recruitment of other players and/or end the stress of the recruiting process ; or
(e) no verbal indicates one of the premises is false.

In addition, if a player continues to take OVs, even though he has verballed, I assume (a) is false.

The best indication that a player might verbal, regardless of the odds, is if the coaches remain in active pursuit. Those who say Ayo is a lock must explain why he has not verballed. Those who say THT no longer has interest in our program, must explain why the coaches are still actively recruiting him.
It's simple. A lot of kids are advised to not publicly verbal until they can take some officials. I asked someone about this once and they said, mainly in regards to highly sought after recruits, "why would they"? They have the opportunity to go on free vacations, get free dinners, check out some cool football games, get free gear, hang out with kids they know or look up to, and go through the whole experience they've been working their whole lives for. Why would they give that up. That really made a lot of sense to me. I mean it's not like illinois is going to give away Ayo's spot to anyone at all.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 08:22 PM   #1740
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REALISTICALLY: Best guess: Who commits next?

Watch the visits play out, school gets started for many, that will be keeping them busy. From what I read or hear, no one has indicated any commitments, from ones we follow. We have been cut from some recruits lists , which is good because we can cut them off ours.

IMO it will be awhile for anyone, more offers going out to our focus recruits, and just keep collecting and liking on Twitter. Conditt or Castleton be my best guess. Watch visits, the reactions seem to give you leans. We are not hearing anything from staff , which is good. We are on a need to know basis. Hang in , good things are coming.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 08:24 PM   #1741
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A few questions for those that may know: Who would we rather have, Conditt or Castleton? Which one makes more of an immediate impact? Potential? What are we getting if we got either one? From what I can tell, Conditt is a project but oozes potential. Castleton is a little less of a project, a great spot of shooter, and fills a very specific role in Underwood's offense.
Like most young bigs, both need to put on size/strength. Conditt has further to go in that department, so Castleton makes a more immediate impact. I think Conditt does have more potential in terms of offensive skill-set. However, I wouldn't say Conditt definitively has more "overall" potential because Castleton is the better athlete & looks like he could be a stud defender. He patrols the paint & times blocks really well with that length.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 08:56 PM   #1742
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Castleton's YouTube video is pretty unimpressive in my opinion. However if you go to Hudl and look at his Jr year highlights, he's much more impressive.

I don't think he plays big time schools in high school, but he looks so much more athletic in the Hudl clip.

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Old Aug 7, 2017, 09:26 PM   #1743
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Agreed. This is a win-win, assuming we land one of them (which seems likely). The thing is, Conditt could completely blow up as a redshirt upperclassman (e.g. Kaminski). And, no, I'm not suggesting Conditt will be POY material. Just very intrigued by his potential and look out if he puts it together.
I really like Conditt's passion and intensity. with BBF (Body by Fletch) impact....really exciting imagining the potential.
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 09:38 PM   #1744
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Indy, doesn't Sow fit into this puzzle somewhere? Staff has seen him play an awful lot at both Peach Jam and Vegas.
The question was Conditt vs. Castleton, but regarding Sow, I think that Sow definitely is a great rebounder, and really works hard on both ends, but his final five of ILL, Virginia, Cal, Colorado, and USCB is pretty good, and makes for a tough sell on PT for us if we have Castleton or Conditt on board.

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Old Aug 7, 2017, 09:39 PM   #1745
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REALISTICALLY: Best guess: Who commits next?
I think realistically Castleton/Conditt. The key will be if the staff can get Castleton to verbal on his OV before he heads to Xavier.

Xavier, FSU, and FGCU seem to be biggest competition for Castleton.

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Old Aug 7, 2017, 09:44 PM   #1746
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REALISTICALLY: Best guess: Who commits next?
I would like to announce that I am ending my recruitment and committing to Illinois!
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 09:59 PM   #1747
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I would like to announce that I am ending my recruitment and committing to Illinois!

Underwood: "You know......why don't we wait until we see your transcripts before we finalize the commitment"
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 10:55 PM   #1748
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Underwood: "You know......why don't we wait until we see your transcripts before we finalize the commitment"
Why? Can't you see he's a FiveStar recruit!?
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Old Aug 7, 2017, 11:28 PM   #1749
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My Rankings of our big man prospects:

1. Castleton-Can shoot, pass, dribble, block shots and rebound; I don't know what more we could ask for in terms of fit

2. Sow-Blue collar big man who works hard and dominates the boards, plays his role to perfection, think rich man's Sam Mclaurin

3. Conditt-has a ton of potential and a great skillset for his size but I just can't get over that he's 6'11 and can barely dunk

All that said, I would take any of the three

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Old Aug 7, 2017, 11:31 PM   #1750
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When someone says a player is a lock, but there is no verbal, I'm a skeptic. Here's how I think about it:

If:
(a) the player knows for certain where he wants to go; and
(b) the player has support for that decision from his family, HS/AAU coaches, etc; and
(c) the recruiting coach welcomes a verbal

Then:
(d) the player will make a verbal, especially if it will enhance the recruitment of other players and/or end the stress of the recruiting process ; or
(e) no verbal indicates one of the premises is false.

In addition, if a player continues to take OVs, even though he has verballed, I assume (a) is false.

The best indication that a player might verbal, regardless of the odds, is if the coaches remain in active pursuit. Those who say Ayo is a lock must explain why he has not verballed. Those who say THT no longer has interest in our program, must explain why the coaches are still actively recruiting him.
Stress? I think I see a flaw in your logic.
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