Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

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ptgrd23
AirNeazy said:
If Scott Drew to UK happens, I assume Tang to Baylor happens, and I'd say KSU would target McCasland hard (there were heavy rumors about him being a target during their last search when they struck out with Brad)
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JMO I just can't see Drew going to Kentucky after 21 years at Baylor. It may just negotiation to get more NIL money at Baylor.
Donovan get $6M per year at Chicago but his contract is up in 2024. I think he is more likely to jump for $10M/year since he has been mediocre 151-164 at Chicago.
 
#27      
Mobi
ptgrd23 said:
JMO I just can't see Drew going to Kentucky after 21 years at Baylor. It may just negotiation to get more NIL money at Baylor.
Donovan get $6M per year at Chicago but his contract is up in 2024. I think he is more likely to jump for $10M/year since he has been mediocre 151-164 at Chicago.
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It's premature to assume Drew to go to UK. However, staying at the same place/job for 21 years can be boring, too. We have no idea what he is thinking before insiders leak information.
 
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Indy Illini Fan
Firmly believe that Drew is not taking the UK job ... I've had the thought for a while that there is no incentive for him to take it and the Drew's are private school people ... I think he will use it as leverage at Baylor but really don't think the UK job is for him ...

Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl and I'm told UK is going to take another swing at Oats ...
 
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pruman91
Indy Illini Fan said:
Firmly believe that Drew is not taking the UK job ... I've had the thought for a while that there is no incentive for him to take it and the Drew's are private school people ... I think he will use it as leverage at Baylor but really don't think the UK job is for him ...

Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl and I'm told UK is going to take another swing at Oats ...
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satan going into the UK cauldron will be a sight to see...........................

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#30      
Illini2010-11
ptgrd23 said:
JMO I just can't see Drew going to Kentucky after 21 years at Baylor. It may just negotiation to get more NIL money at Baylor.
Donovan get $6M per year at Chicago but his contract is up in 2024. I think he is more likely to jump for $10M/year since he has been mediocre 151-164 at Chicago.
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Initial contract, yes. He signed an extension a couple seasons ago, but I am not sure how much longer it runs for (maybe through 2026?). That info is harder to find for some reason.

I do not think he is "mediocre" coach for Bulls. The FO is mediocre and gave him very little to work with (to be close to .500 is actually impressive IMO).
 
#31      
Mobi
Indy Illini Fan said:
Firmly believe that Drew is not taking the UK job ... I've had the thought for a while that there is no incentive for him to take it and the Drew's are private school people ... I think he will use it as leverage at Baylor but really don't think the UK job is for him ...

Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl and I'm told UK is going to take another swing at Oats ...
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I think it may depend on how Baylor AD handles it (and Scott's wife, too). Baylor people on their forums are not so confident because they think their AD is toxic.

Also, I just can't see UK hiring a 64 Pearl...
 
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IlliniFan42
Illini2010-11 said:
Initial contract, yes. He signed an extension a couple seasons ago, but I am not sure how much longer it runs for (maybe through 2026?). That info is harder to find for some reason.

I do not think he is "mediocre" coach for Bulls. The FO is mediocre and gave him very little to work with (to be close to .500 is actually impressive IMO).
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Just like Hoiberg, who was given players that absolutely did not fit his system.
 
#36      
Gbop
Indy Illini Fan said:
Firmly believe that Drew is not taking the UK job ... I've had the thought for a while that there is no incentive for him to take it and the Drew's are private school people ... I think he will use it as leverage at Baylor but really don't think the UK job is for him ...

Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl and I'm told UK is going to take another swing at Oats ...
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I’d love to see Pearl take the job and then flame out and get run out of town.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman
All this got me incredibly curious what some of our insiders (and other "regular" posters like me!!) would consider to be some underrated and overrated jobs. While I consider Illinois very underrated and easily top 10-15 nationally for a variety of reasons, I will limit mine to non-Illini jobs. Also, obvious disclaimer ... this doesn't even KIND OF mean that I am saying the overrated jobs are not good jobs or that the underrated jobs necessarily ARE good jobs. Just a ranking relative to perception.

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Maryland: They have good tradition and a GREAT recruiting footprint, but it is my impression that the fan base is kind of the worst of both worlds - they have totally unrealistic expectations, but they ALSO don't support the program as loyally as a similarly "high pressure" school like Kentucky would. Facilities/campus/environment seems kind of meh, too.

UCLA: It's obviously a great job, but at a certain point your past success only means so much ... it is such a clear step below the other Blue Bloods for me. In theory, UCLA should be picking its coaches from the likes of Arizona ... and I bet you practically anything Tommy Lloyd wouldn't really consider the switch. Facilities seem meh, and the fan support is comparable to Minnesota...

Purdue: I think Purdue is a good job, but I have heard multiple PU people complain about how they have trouble attracting fans instate, and IU is still the "darling" of all non-PU alumni. I think it has become an even better job lately, but still ... the question is, would Gene Keady or Matt Painter have done better at Ohio State or Illinois in an alternate universe? Obviously we cannot know, but I say yes. Again, very good job ... I just think it's a notch below some of the other top Big Ten jobs it often gets lumped in with.

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Florida: I find UF to ALSO be a very underrated football job, but especially for hoops. No matter what you want to say about their fan base's fickleness for hoops, they are top dog in terms of fan loyalty in a MASSIVE state. Urban Meyer and Billy Donavon showed what a sleeping giant this destination is. I think they get lost in the shuffle with other SEC football teams like 'Bama, Georgia, LSU, etc. hogging the lime light lately, but I would imagine UF is as flush with cash as anyone with the right people in charge.

Georgia: I am actually shocked that UGA is SO bad historically. Again, this takes some vision here ... they're obviously not in a good spot. However, if you transplanted Coach K in his prime there tomorrow, everyone in that state would eventually jump on board with the same psychotic loyalty as you see for UGA Football. Plenty of high school talent, hardly any instate competition for fan/NIL support and plenty of football money to redirect a bit toward hoops if you could sell the program properly.

UConn: I know it seems weird to put such a dominant program in here, but it seems kind of shocking that Kentucky fans could be even semi-confident about luring away UConn's coach in a way that they seemingly wouldn't toward North Carolina, Kansas, Duke, etc. UConn has an absolutely dominant modern history, proximity to a TON of high school talent, relatively little competition for the "casual fan" in their area and no football to swallow up NIL resources.
 
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OrangeBlue98
Pretty good list. I'd add one for each.

Overrated - Texas. I get that they are heading to the SEC and are in a recruiting hotbed. But basketball always seems like a major afterthought there. Their attendance was low enough that their new home arena generally seats 10,000 (but I know they can expand the capacity if needed). It seems like they have a bit of a Kentucky issue of fans with very high expectations, but then they keep funneling their NIL money to football. So it seems like a "high expectations, but relatively low investment" type of situation that makes it tough to win there.

Underrated - Oregon. Heading to the Big Ten now. Plenty of Nike/Phil Knight money and a very well-known brand from their unique color scheme and uniforms. Can recruit into the Pacific Northwest and the Northern California area without a huge amount of difficulty. I really think Oregon is going to become a major player in college basketball soon, particularly if they nail the hire after Dana Altman eventually retires.

Of course, both of these are strictly my opinions.
 
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ptgrd23
this article implies thru 2026 but NBA coaches get fired mid contract and FO will not fire itself for Bulls being stuck in death zone .500 record. No lottery picks but doing play-in every year.

sports.yahoo.com

Chicago Bulls signed coach Billy Donovan to a years-long contract extension ahead of 2022-23 season

PHOENIX — The Chicago Bulls signed coach Billy Donovan to a contract extension this summer ahead of the 2022-23 season, retaining him for at least four more years. The Bulls confirmed the signing, which The Athletic initially reported Tuesday. Donovan’s original contract ran through the 2023-24...
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.... Donovan and his coaching staff all received contract extensions back in fall camp. The Sun-Times learned that most of the major players throughout the front office were also extended prior to the 2023-24 campaign. The Bulls rarely detail front office contracts, so that’s why there was no announcement or leak of it.....
www.bleachernation.com

So Billy Donovan Reportedly Wasn't the Only One Who Got a Contract Extension ... - Bleacher Nation

The Chicago Bulls reportedly handed their entire coaching staff and many front office faces extensions this past summer.
www.bleachernation.com www.bleachernation.com
 
#45      
Chuck Nuggets
I'm putting my money on Sean Miller. Drew feels like a Bayor lifer. Donovan doesn't seem like a guy who wants to go back to college. Oats is building his own thing at Bama and has already put out a pretty definitive statement. Miller makes the most sense.
 
#47      
Navy_illini
Fighter of the Nightman said:
All this got me incredibly curious what some of our insiders (and other "regular" posters like me!!) would consider to be some underrated and overrated jobs. While I consider Illinois very underrated and easily top 10-15 nationally for a variety of reasons, I will limit mine to non-Illini jobs. Also, obvious disclaimer ... this doesn't even KIND OF mean that I am saying the overrated jobs are not good jobs or that the underrated jobs necessarily ARE good jobs. Just a ranking relative to perception.

OVERRATED
Maryland: They have good tradition and a GREAT recruiting footprint, but it is my impression that the fan base is kind of the worst of both worlds - they have totally unrealistic expectations, but they ALSO don't support the program as loyally as a similarly "high pressure" school like Kentucky would. Facilities/campus/environment seems kind of meh, too.

UCLA: It's obviously a great job, but at a certain point your past success only means so much ... it is such a clear step below the other Blue Bloods for me. In theory, UCLA should be picking its coaches from the likes of Arizona ... and I bet you practically anything Tommy Lloyd wouldn't really consider the switch. Facilities seem meh, and the fan support is comparable to Minnesota...

Purdue: I think Purdue is a good job, but I have heard multiple PU people complain about how they have trouble attracting fans instate, and IU is still the "darling" of all non-PU alumni. I think it has become an even better job lately, but still ... the question is, would Gene Keady or Matt Painter have done better at Ohio State or Illinois in an alternate universe? Obviously we cannot know, but I say yes. Again, very good job ... I just think it's a notch below some of the other top Big Ten jobs it often gets lumped in with.

UNDERRATED
Florida: I find UF to ALSO be a very underrated football job, but especially for hoops. No matter what you want to say about their fan base's fickleness for hoops, they are top dog in terms of fan loyalty in a MASSIVE state. Urban Meyer and Billy Donavon showed what a sleeping giant this destination is. I think they get lost in the shuffle with other SEC football teams like 'Bama, Georgia, LSU, etc. hogging the lime light lately, but I would imagine UF is as flush with cash as anyone with the right people in charge.

Georgia: I am actually shocked that UGA is SO bad historically. Again, this takes some vision here ... they're obviously not in a good spot. However, if you transplanted Coach K in his prime there tomorrow, everyone in that state would eventually jump on board with the same psychotic loyalty as you see for UGA Football. Plenty of high school talent, hardly any instate competition for fan/NIL support and plenty of football money to redirect a bit toward hoops if you could sell the program properly.

UConn: I know it seems weird to put such a dominant program in here, but it seems kind of shocking that Kentucky fans could be even semi-confident about luring away UConn's coach in a way that they seemingly wouldn't toward North Carolina, Kansas, Duke, etc. UConn has an absolutely dominant modern history, proximity to a TON of high school talent, relatively little competition for the "casual fan" in their area and no football to swallow up NIL resources.
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I disagree with the PU part. The rest seems accurate

The reason the PU job is not over rated is their head coaches stay for a long period of time. They had 3 coaches since 1978 and that is with Lee Rose leaving after two seasons

They don’t have the advantages of KU UK or UNC but their fans/AD don’t have unrealistic expectations. They only gone to 2 final fours
 
#50      
bluemountain
Fighter of the Nightman said:
All this got me incredibly curious what some of our insiders (and other "regular" posters like me!!) would consider to be some underrated and overrated jobs. While I consider Illinois very underrated and easily top 10-15 nationally for a variety of reasons, I will limit mine to non-Illini jobs. Also, obvious disclaimer ... this doesn't even KIND OF mean that I am saying the overrated jobs are not good jobs or that the underrated jobs necessarily ARE good jobs. Just a ranking relative to perception.

OVERRATED
Maryland: They have good tradition and a GREAT recruiting footprint, but it is my impression that the fan base is kind of the worst of both worlds - they have totally unrealistic expectations, but they ALSO don't support the program as loyally as a similarly "high pressure" school like Kentucky would. Facilities/campus/environment seems kind of meh, too.

UCLA: It's obviously a great job, but at a certain point your past success only means so much ... it is such a clear step below the other Blue Bloods for me. In theory, UCLA should be picking its coaches from the likes of Arizona ... and I bet you practically anything Tommy Lloyd wouldn't really consider the switch. Facilities seem meh, and the fan support is comparable to Minnesota...

Purdue: I think Purdue is a good job, but I have heard multiple PU people complain about how they have trouble attracting fans instate, and IU is still the "darling" of all non-PU alumni. I think it has become an even better job lately, but still ... the question is, would Gene Keady or Matt Painter have done better at Ohio State or Illinois in an alternate universe? Obviously we cannot know, but I say yes. Again, very good job ... I just think it's a notch below some of the other top Big Ten jobs it often gets lumped in with.

UNDERRATED
Florida: I find UF to ALSO be a very underrated football job, but especially for hoops. No matter what you want to say about their fan base's fickleness for hoops, they are top dog in terms of fan loyalty in a MASSIVE state. Urban Meyer and Billy Donavon showed what a sleeping giant this destination is. I think they get lost in the shuffle with other SEC football teams like 'Bama, Georgia, LSU, etc. hogging the lime light lately, but I would imagine UF is as flush with cash as anyone with the right people in charge.

Georgia: I am actually shocked that UGA is SO bad historically. Again, this takes some vision here ... they're obviously not in a good spot. However, if you transplanted Coach K in his prime there tomorrow, everyone in that state would eventually jump on board with the same psychotic loyalty as you see for UGA Football. Plenty of high school talent, hardly any instate competition for fan/NIL support and plenty of football money to redirect a bit toward hoops if you could sell the program properly.

UConn: I know it seems weird to put such a dominant program in here, but it seems kind of shocking that Kentucky fans could be even semi-confident about luring away UConn's coach in a way that they seemingly wouldn't toward North Carolina, Kansas, Duke, etc. UConn has an absolutely dominant modern history, proximity to a TON of high school talent, relatively little competition for the "casual fan" in their area and no football to swallow up NIL resources.
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Lefty Driesell had the right thought about Maryland - they really should be the UCLA of the East based on their location right in the middle of the recruiting hotbeds of DC and Baltimore. I think they are fighting the same battle UI football does - based on geography they should be a powerhouse, but they were a second tier program behind UNC/Duke/NC State for so long that I'm not sure they can consistently achieve the level of success they logically should achieve

UCLA and Michigan basketball are two peas in a pod - they will always be thought of as elite or semi-elite due to their name and history, they have marginal fan support and facilities, and more often than not they underachieve

PU is probably the biggest overachiever of any P5 program. Their base of support exists within a fairly small part of Indiana; IU is by far the favored team instate and always will be, and PU has limited national appeal. They are the Kansas State of college basketball, on steroids
 
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