Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

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I kinda, desperately, want them to strike out with all their top choices now.

I knew they were a rabid fan base (maybe we are just as crazy?) but it’d be awesome to finally have them feel the pains of not being CBB royalty for awhile.
 
#53      
... them[Kentucky] feel the pains of not being CBB royalty for awhile.
Interesting thought.

Despite the fact that the NBA is stuffed with former Kentucky players, I wonder how much of an advantage Kentucky or any blue blood will continue to have in college recruiting as the recruiting landscape is changing so quickly.

Sure, Kentucky NIL must be out of this world (or is that wrong?). And they haven't yet tried building a roster largely via the transfer portal. Can they 'hire' a portal roster loaded with the very best older talent in college basketball analogous to what they were able to do with five-star freshman? Maybe we'll find out in the next year or two.
 
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PU is probably the biggest overachiever of any P5 program. ... They are the Kansas State of college basketball, on steroids
Which makes Fighter Of The Nightman's campaign to catch up to Purdue all the more interesting. From his signature:

All-Time B1G Basketball Winning Percentages ... #CatchPurdue (Updated 2023!)
Purdue: .644
ILLINOIS: .640
Indiana: .633
Michigan State: .612
 
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Big Jack

Decatur
I'm putting my money on Sean Miller. Drew feels like a Bayor lifer. Donovan doesn't seem like a guy who wants to go back to college. Oats is building his own thing at Bama and has already put out a pretty definitive statement. Miller makes the most sense.
I think if Donovan didn't want to go back to coaching CBB he would have never gone to Lexington yesterday for his top secret meeting.. My vote is on him accepting it
 
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OrangeBlue98

Des Moines, IA
As long as I don’t read a sentence similar to “Brad Underwood has been hired as the new men’s basketball coach at the University of Kentucky”, there will be some laughter on my end regarding this. Kentucky has certainly had to experience what many other programs experience in the search for a new head coach. They haven’t just been able to say “we’re Kentucky” and automatically pick their first choice regardless of that choice’s current situation.
 
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I'm putting my money on Sean Miller. Drew feels like a Bayor lifer. Donovan doesn't seem like a guy who wants to go back to college. Oats is building his own thing at Bama and has already put out a pretty definitive statement. Miller makes the most sense.
Yep, I think is gonna be Miller…and if not him quite possibly Satan.
 
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Maybe they hire John Groce away from Akron ;)
After 40 years of watching college basketball, I’m still surprised by the delusional fans who believe their team is the center of the universe. When every team’s fate can change on the whims of a 17 year old, a crazy mom, or a bad call by a ref or AD. And, 99.999999% of the people on the planet won’t notice and don’t care if that change is for better or worse. But being in that 0.000001%, I agree KY is overdue for their Weber-Groce moment.
 
#61      
JMO I just can't see Drew going to Kentucky after 21 years at Baylor. It may just negotiation to get more NIL money at Baylor.
Donovan get $6M per year at Chicago but his contract is up in 2024. I think he is more likely to jump for $10M/year since he has been mediocre 151-164 at Chicago.
Not saying I have any knowledge on Drew’s opinion or stance in Waco, but there are numerous reasons to jump ship from any school. Of course, he’s a legend there so that knocks a good amount out.

I think a job like UK really appeals to guys in this profession because it’s as close to a mountain top job as you’re going to get. Not everyone is cut out for it, or wants it, but it’s a dream job for many. Not hard to see why it would draw interest from 99% of head coaches in the sport.
 
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Chuck Nuggets

Dip your nuggets in my staff source sauce.
Yep, I think is gonna be Miller…and if not him quite possibly Satan.
If he were Miller's age I think he'd be the clear choice. The more I think about it, the more I think Shaka Smart would do well there.
 
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Just like Hoiberg, who was given players that absolutely did not fit his system.
True. But isn’t the coach supposed to change his system to fit the players…as much as possible?

Just saying… if you’re fortunate enough to always be shopping for the hired guns you want great…but that isn’t always possible right?

Edit: Don’t get me wrong, I think Hoiberg is one of the best coaches in the B1G ten.
I think Donovan is fairly solid too. I just feel adapting philosophy and scheme to the roster is a higher level of coaching than running the same system year in and year out. I don’t even think Hoiberg does that to be fair.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Not saying I have any knowledge on Drew’s opinion or stance in Waco, but there are numerous reasons to jump ship from any school. Of course, he’s a legend there so that knocks a good amount out.

I think a job like UK really appeals to guys in this profession because it’s as close to a mountain top job as you’re going to get. Not everyone is cut out for it, or wants it, but it’s a dream job for many. Not hard to see why it would draw interest from 99% of head coaches in the sport.
Being in a job for 21 years is also just as good a reason to leave as to stay on some level. Different people feel differently about that sort of thing just on a personality level.
 
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All this got me incredibly curious what some of our insiders (and other "regular" posters like me!!) would consider to be some underrated and overrated jobs. While I consider Illinois very underrated and easily top 10-15 nationally for a variety of reasons, I will limit mine to non-Illini jobs. Also, obvious disclaimer ... this doesn't even KIND OF mean that I am saying the overrated jobs are not good jobs or that the underrated jobs necessarily ARE good jobs. Just a ranking relative to perception.

OVERRATED
Maryland:
They have good tradition and a GREAT recruiting footprint, but it is my impression that the fan base is kind of the worst of both worlds - they have totally unrealistic expectations, but they ALSO don't support the program as loyally as a similarly "high pressure" school like Kentucky would. Facilities/campus/environment seems kind of meh, too.

UCLA: It's obviously a great job, but at a certain point your past success only means so much ... it is such a clear step below the other Blue Bloods for me. In theory, UCLA should be picking its coaches from the likes of Arizona ... and I bet you practically anything Tommy Lloyd wouldn't really consider the switch. Facilities seem meh, and the fan support is comparable to Minnesota...

Purdue: I think Purdue is a good job, but I have heard multiple PU people complain about how they have trouble attracting fans instate, and IU is still the "darling" of all non-PU alumni. I think it has become an even better job lately, but still ... the question is, would Gene Keady or Matt Painter have done better at Ohio State or Illinois in an alternate universe? Obviously we cannot know, but I say yes. Again, very good job ... I just think it's a notch below some of the other top Big Ten jobs it often gets lumped in with.

UNDERRATED
Florida:
I find UF to ALSO be a very underrated football job, but especially for hoops. No matter what you want to say about their fan base's fickleness for hoops, they are top dog in terms of fan loyalty in a MASSIVE state. Urban Meyer and Billy Donavon showed what a sleeping giant this destination is. I think they get lost in the shuffle with other SEC football teams like 'Bama, Georgia, LSU, etc. hogging the lime light lately, but I would imagine UF is as flush with cash as anyone with the right people in charge.

Georgia: I am actually shocked that UGA is SO bad historically. Again, this takes some vision here ... they're obviously not in a good spot. However, if you transplanted Coach K in his prime there tomorrow, everyone in that state would eventually jump on board with the same psychotic loyalty as you see for UGA Football. Plenty of high school talent, hardly any instate competition for fan/NIL support and plenty of football money to redirect a bit toward hoops if you could sell the program properly.

UConn: I know it seems weird to put such a dominant program in here, but it seems kind of shocking that Kentucky fans could be even semi-confident about luring away UConn's coach in a way that they seemingly wouldn't toward North Carolina, Kansas, Duke, etc. UConn has an absolutely dominant modern history, proximity to a TON of high school talent, relatively little competition for the "casual fan" in their area and no football to swallow up NIL resources.
I happen to be friends with a D1 head coach who described Maryland as a dream job.
 
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The Galloping Ghost

Washington, DC
Coaching is neither the cause of nor the solution to what ails the Chicago Bulls and it hasn't been since at least Vinny Del Negro.
As a Wizards fan, I think about the fact that I'm in my 40s and have never seen my team make an Eastern Conference Finals or even win 50 games in a season and laugh about you Bulls fans endlessly complaining. You had the '90s. You had the greatest player in his prime, as opposed to when he was a corpse. It's gonna take you many more years before you really know what pain is.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
As a Wizards fan, I think about the fact that I'm in my 40s and have never seen my team make an Eastern Conference Finals or even win 50 games in a season and laugh about you Bulls fans endlessly complaining. You had the '90s. You had the greatest player in his prime, as opposed to when he was a corpse. It's gonna take you many more years before you really know what pain is.
Oh believe me I consider myself very lucky to be a Bulls fan and know others have it worse.

But the Bulls are currently being badly mismanaged, and its a fact that keeping or changing the coach is absolutely 100% irrelevant to the direction of the fortunes of the team.

Coaches have always been limited in how much they can affect things in the NBA, and it seems like it’s that way today more than ever before.
 
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I disagree with the PU part. The rest seems accurate

The reason the PU job is not over rated is their head coaches stay for a long period of time. They had 3 coaches since 1978 and that is with Lee Rose leaving after two seasons

They don’t have the advantages of KU UK or UNC but their fans/AD don’t have unrealistic expectations. They only gone to 2 final fours
The lack of unrealistic expectations is a good point, though I wonder if that will start to change (especially if IU stays down). However, I think the coaches staying for that long says more about them than the job. From what I can tell/have seen, they are average or below in facilities, NIL and instate recruiting advantage compared to Indiana (i.e., they may have great instate talent, but they struggle to beat IU for it even more than we ever have with our instate talent). I think a C+ coach doesn't do any better at Purdue than he does at, say, NC State. This is all somewhat guesswork, though.

One thing is for sure, regardless of how "good" the job is - Purdue has a very good history and an absolutely fantastic fan base that really stepped it up this year.
 
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The Galloping Ghost

Washington, DC
Oh believe me I consider myself very lucky to be a Bulls fan and know others have it worse.

But the Bulls are currently being badly mismanaged, and its a fact that keeping or changing the coach is absolutely 100% irrelevant to the direction of the fortunes of the team.

Coaches have always been limited in how much they can affect things in the NBA, and it seems like it’s that way today more than ever before.
I feel you, but even still, badly mismanaged is relative. Bulls won 46 games in 2022. That'd be tied for the second-best record for the Wizards since 1979.
 
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If he were Miller's age I think he'd be the clear choice. The more I think about it, the more I think Shaka Smart would do well there.
Well we agree on 2 out of 3 I guess. Lol
I’m a little skeptical what Shaka would do there, honestly. I’m basing that largely on the wheels coming off in Austin…when he had more resources and a bigger stage…he couldn’t get it done.

I think Shaka suffers from John Groce disease lol. He does decent to good at a VCU type mid-major, or a Marquette…but not so much at the big places. It’s weird.

Actually, Smart is mostly an example of a “System” type coach. At least on the defensive side of the ball he is. He pretty much went away from his Havoc press stuff at Texas. He was there long enough to recruit too…not sure why he didn’t recruit to those ends more.
Now he’s back up and running with it at Marquette, just like he was at VCU.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
I feel you, but even still, badly mismanaged is relative. Bulls won 46 games in 2022. That'd be tied for the second-best record for the Wizards since 1979.
The LaVine-Derozan-Vucevic situation with the Bulls is identical to the Wall and Beal years with the Wiz, except for management's belief in a higher future ceiling that can be reached being much, much less reasonable.
 
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