Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

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Conference record the past 3 seasons:

Greg Gard: 35-25
Tom Izzo: 32-27
Eric Musselman: 27-27
Fred Hoiberg: 25-35
They're at different schools with different levels of resources.

Muss has 2 elite 8 appearances in the last 4 years including one where they played championship winning Baylor as well as anyone in the tournament.

Hoiberg has taken some time to turn around Nebraska but he's flat out one of the best offensive coaches in the country. What he did at Iowa state after a decade of incompetence was incredible. They were terrible before him and after him.

Izzo I'm weighing his past accomplishments. Hasn't been great since COVID but did have a sweet 16 last year and was incredible for decades until COVID.

Gard inherited a powerhouse from Bo Ryan and has done nothing but be mediocre. Even the year with Johnny Davis they didn't really feel dangerous.
 
#52      
Nebraska was 55th in the country in offensive efficiency.
Iowa State was 49th.
Illinois was 9th.
Did Nebraska have a reasonably good year? Yes.
Is Hoiberg an offensive genius?
Ehhhh. No.
 
#54      
Conference record the past 3 seasons:

Greg Gard: 35-25
Tom Izzo: 32-27
Eric Musselman: 27-27
Fred Hoiberg: 25-35

I mean Muss had an elite 8 plus a sweet 16 in that 3 year stretch, but hey he was only .500 in the SEC. Let’s slot him 2 spots behind Chris Collins since he’s 2 games over .500 in the Big Ten.
 
#56      
Not carousel related, but might make your head spin. Per College Basketball Report:


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Alright..I’m pretending like I didn’t make that earlier post. Geez. That’s alright …needed a good humbling post…lol

1.Painter
2.Underwood
3.Musselman
4.Izzo
5.Altman
6.Cronin
7.Gard
8.May
9.Hoiberg
10.Pikiell
11.Collins
12.McCaffrey
13.Sprinkle
14.Rhoades
15.Johnson
16.Diebler
17.Woodson
18.Willard
 
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#57      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
They're at different schools with different levels of resources.

Muss has 2 elite 8 appearances in the last 4 years including one where they played championship winning Baylor as well as anyone in the tournament.

Hoiberg has taken some time to turn around Nebraska but he's flat out one of the best offensive coaches in the country. What he did at Iowa state after a decade of incompetence was incredible. They were terrible before him and after him.

Izzo I'm weighing his past accomplishments. Hasn't been great since COVID but did have a sweet 16 last year and was incredible for decades until COVID.

Gard inherited a powerhouse from Bo Ryan and has done nothing but be mediocre. Even the year with Johnny Davis they didn't really feel dangerous.
Those are all fair points.

My feelings would be:

Muss did great in the tourney and great on the recruiting trail at Arkansas, but his results in the heat of the coaching chess match of the conference season lagged, and now he's in a totally new (and maybe worse?) situation.

Izzo looks to be cooked. An all-time great but cooked.

Hoiberg did great at ISU back in the stone age when he had the transfer portal all to himself, not really relevant anymore. At Nebraska he was circling the drain for years and hasn't done anything yet that Tim Miles didn't. I want more than one year of this and I'm skeptical I will get it with Tominaga gone.

Gard, like Painter, like BU, has a history of floating up the conference standings when you get into league play when everyone knows and has scouted everybody else. That's the ultimate place in which coaching quality reveals itself IMHO.

I quote the standings because I think the data supports those conclusions. But all kinds of changes are coming this offseason and these guys are all going to do battle, and when we have new data, the rankings should and will change to reflect that. The pecking order can change faster than ever now in CBB, which is a big reason why BU is handling the portal the way he is.
 
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Pepe, let's go watch a game together next season since I need to learn the game from you.
 
#61      

GallopingGhost

Denver, CO
Oof - thats definitely a list.

My orange colored glasses say that BU should be tied for #2 with Painter, behind Izzo. But that aside - Muss and Cronin in the top 5? Hoiberg and Collins at 10/11? How is Kevin Willard not last? And why is Ben Johnson last - he seems to have righted the ship in Minny and have them trending in the correct direction now, which is no small feat.
I think he really hasn’t done enough at Minnesota to earn anything else but last. It’s hard to compare all these coaches because more experience usually means higher on the list.

Maybe break it into < 10 years coaching and > 10 years coaching.
 
#62      
When will the real reason come out that Chester left? An assistant coach doesn’t leave one program to become an assistant coach at another program without good reason.
 
#63      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky
Alright..I’m pretending like I didn’t make that earlier post. Geez. That’s alright …needed a good humbling post…lol

1.Painter
2.Underwood
3.Musselman
4.Izzo
5.Altman
6.Cronin
7.Gard
8.May
9.Hoiberg
10.Pikiell
11.Collins
12.McCaffrey
13.Sprinkle
14.Rhoades
15.Johnson
16.Diebler
17.Woodson
18.Willard
my list..............................

1. Brad Underwood..................


2-18..........a bunch of hated rivals...................
 
#64      
They're at different schools with different levels of resources.

Muss has 2 elite 8 appearances in the last 4 years including one where they played championship winning Baylor as well as anyone in the tournament.

Hoiberg has taken some time to turn around Nebraska but he's flat out one of the best offensive coaches in the country. What he did at Iowa state after a decade of incompetence was incredible. They were terrible before him and after him.

Izzo I'm weighing his past accomplishments. Hasn't been great since COVID but did have a sweet 16 last year and was incredible for decades until COVID.

Gard inherited a powerhouse from Bo Ryan and has done nothing but be mediocre. Even the year with Johnny Davis they didn't really feel dangerous.
I want to agree with you on Gard, but we might be selling him a little short, based on the fact that Daddy Brad has really owned Wisconsin of late.

2 Big Ten Regular season titles in the last 5 years. I’m not sure how he’ll adapt to the portal era, or if I’d bet on him to win another conference title. But based on results I don’t want to be too dismissive of him as a top tier Big Ten coach.
 
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If Antigua comes, is there any chance Bradshaw would open up his recruitment?
 
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Nebraska was 55th in the country in offensive efficiency.
Iowa State was 49th.
Illinois was 9th.
Did Nebraska have a reasonably good year? Yes.
Is Hoiberg an offensive genius?
Ehhhh. No.
I think he did a great job myself. IIRC no one picked them above 12th in preseason. So to finish where they did is a testament to his ability as a coach. Not a Neb fan or hater but the guy can coach
 
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