Illinois 93, Wisconsin 87 - Big Ten Tournament Champions

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danielb927

danielb927
Orange Krush Class of 2013
Rochester, MN
danielb927
One Man Fast Break said:
I kind of hate that the Selection Show is like ten minutes after the BTT ends. If this game was on Saturday, we'd get a whole day to savor it and celebrate it for what it is. As it is, all the focus shifts to the NCAA Tournament Bracket before the trophy is even handed off.
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I never really appreciated this until yesterday too. Especially with trying to go to the first round games - went straight from celebration into planning mode. That takes nothing away from an awesome weekend though, just requires a little more mindfulness to savor the moment!
 
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rtbritt

rtbritt
rtbritt
PlayDeeBrownNote said:
Might wanna get that memory checked.
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Well, yes, I am getting older now....its been 20+ years.... did we lose the game that would send us to the elite 8 or did we lose in the elite 8.....I thought both happened in like back to back years....? Maybe it was Kansas that beat us? Or did I just switch something else up? haha
 
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Heisenbobble

Heisenbobble
Heisenbobble
rtbritt said:
Well, yes, I am getting older now....its been 20+ years.... did we lose the game that would send us to the elite 8 or did we lose in the elite 8.....I thought both happened in like back to back years....? Maybe it was Kansas that beat us? Or did I just switch something else up? haha
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We all went to campus to greet Dee/Deron/Luther/et.al. after we came back to beat Arizona in the Elite 8. What alternate universe am I living in right now? Or are we all getting pranked here? LOL.
 
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ManlyLibrarian

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ManlyLibrarian
Heisenbobble said:
We all went to campus to greet Dee/Deron/Luther/et.al. after we came back to beat Arizona in the Elite 8. What alternate universe am I living in right now? Or are we all getting pranked here? LOL.
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2001 East Region Elite 8 game
Midwest Regional
  • No. 2 Arizona 87, No. 1 Illinois 81
The Bill Walton Game. Alternately the 6-Illini-Foul-Out Game.
 
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NarrowJ

NarrowJ
NarrowJ
I think we should stick to comparing similar players, doesn't drive home any point for me. Dainja doesn't bring the ball up and doesn't ISO from the 3 pt line. Look at how it is calculated.

Marcus looks to drive to the hoop more often rather than pass, so could one make the argument that he is actually dribbling the ball more, and still somehow turns it over less? As far as how much both guys have the ball? I'd say its comparable. Don't forget Kam Jones also has the rock a lot for them and they use their big on offense.

Absolutely do not want to use any further message board real estate on this argument, though. We've littered it quite well enough thus far. šŸ˜
 
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Chukwuwumba

Chukwuwumba
Chukwuwumba
PepeSilvia said:
I think it's probably cause they want to get shannon some rest but I'd be perfectly fine letting Shannon bring the ball down the court a bit and just immediately attack in the high pnr.

I think the combo of Domask, Shannon, and Rodgers is good enough to bring the ball down the court and they've got good size to the point where they can over pressure. !!!!, even Hawkins can bring the ball up the court and initiate the offense.
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I think you target a minus defender on the other team as well. Aka Chucky guarding Shannon, donā€™t have Shannon bring the ball up.
Ace Baldwin guarding Domask, should have Shannon/Rodgers bring it up.
 
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doowink

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yes....I blamed this one on coach Self....we didn't adjust to the way the zebras were calling the game....think Arizona shot 50+ free throws that game
 
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NarrowJ

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By using the statistic, it is proven without any doubt that he is a low-TO player. Ain't nothing you can say. Talk in circles all you want, he has the ball a lot and does not cough it up. It can't even be argued, you're just trying to invalidate the statistic which doesn't work. Yes, all those other players are also good at not turning it over.

Goodness gracious.
 
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rtbritt

rtbritt
rtbritt
ManlyLibrarian said:
2001 East Region Elite 8 game
Midwest Regional
  • No. 2 Arizona 87, No. 1 Illinois 81
The Bill Walton Game. Alternately the 6-Illini-Foul-Out Game.
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Thank you. I thought I had the right memory pulled up. I went to Willard after that game and met the team and got autographs (on a t-shirt that I no longer have, sadly) from every rotation player!

I also was there to greet the 05 Illini after beating Arizona!
 
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OrangeBlue98

OrangeBlue98
Des Moines, IA
OrangeBlue98
ManlyLibrarian said:
2001 East Region Elite 8 game
Midwest Regional
  • No. 2 Arizona 87, No. 1 Illinois 81
The Bill Walton Game. Alternately the 6-Illini-Foul-Out Game.
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Also known as the game where we all legitimately wanted Tim Higgins tarred and feathered (for me, that was a pretty regular occurrence).
 
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Chad Fleck

Chad Fleck
Eureka, IL
Chad Fleck
FreshlySqueezed said:
Here's 4.

IMO, his turnover rate is low because his decision making is elite, not his handles.

I'll also say that comparing MD's usage rate is more pass-first type of point guards isn't the best comparison.
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And here's another.

Marcus has done a commendable job, but he's no elite ball-handler. I think this is a case where data can't be used to tell enough of the story. As someone else mentioned, he has to look for the ball when he puts it behind his back. That's wild for someone who brings the ball up at this level. The Illini are routinely getting into their offense with 15-18 seconds left on the clock, because MD basically booty balls the defender all the way down the floor.

It commonly works, because MD can just wear the smaller quicker guard down and work him all the way to the rim. I find it somewhat nervewracking to watch, much of the time.
 
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Illini in Italy

Illini in Italy
Illini in Italy
Chad Fleck said:
And here's another.

Marcus has done a commendable job, but he's no elite ball-handler. I think this is a case where data can't be used to tell enough of the story. As someone else mentioned, he has to look for the ball when he puts it behind his back. That's wild for someone who brings the ball up at this level. The Illini are routinely getting into their offense with 15-18 seconds left on the clock, because MD basically booty balls the defender all the way down the floor.

It commonly works, because MD can just wear the smaller quicker guard down and work him all the way to the rim. I find it somewhat nervewracking to watch, much of the time.
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How about answering this question (not picking on you Chad, you're just the most recent poster on this topic):

What does a point guard do?

He wins games, and he does it any way he can. Marcus meets that definition to a f'djggdn "T"
 
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RabidDawgClassic

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BTT Championship Game Appearances

Ohio State - 10
Illinois - 8
Wisconsin - 8
Michigan State - 7
Purdue - 6
Michigan - 5
Iowa - 4
Penn State - 2
Minnesota - 1
Indiana - 1
Northwestern - 0
Nebraska - 0
Rutgers - 0
Maryland - 0

BTT Championship Game Won/Loss Records

Michigan State 6-1
Ohio State 6-4
Illinois 4-4
Michigan 3-2
Wisconsin 3-5
Iowa 2-2
Purdue 2-4
Nebraska 0-0
Maryland 0-0
Rutgers 0-0
Northwestern 0-0
Minnesota 0-1
Indiana 0-1
Penn State 0-2

Most Common BTT Championship Game Matchups

Illinois vs Wisconsin - 4 (2004, 2005, 2008, 2024)
Michigan vs Purdue - 2 (1998, 2018)
Michigan Sate vs Illinois - 2 (1999, 2000)
Illinois vs Ohio State - 2 (2003, 2021)
Ohio State vs Iowa - 2 (2002, 2006)
Ohio State vs Wisconsin - 2 (2007, 2013)
Michigan State vs Michigan - 2 (2014, 2019)


Illinois' Overall BTT Tournament Record vs B1G Opponents

Minnesota 6-0
Indiana 6-3
Ohio State 4-2
Northwestern 3-0
Penn State 3-1
Wisconsin 3-3
Iowa 2-3
Purdue 2-3
Michigan 2-4
Rutgers 1-0
Nebraska 1-0
Maryland 0-0
Michigan State 0-3
 
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Chad Fleck

Chad Fleck
Eureka, IL
Chad Fleck
Illini in Italy said:
How about answering this question (not picking on you Chad, you're just the most recent poster on this topic):

What does a point guard do?

He wins games, and he does it any way he can. Marcus meets that definition to a f'djggdn "T"
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No argument there. I don't perceive us to have an overall PG problem. We have a "get the ball up the floor after a made basket" minor annoyance. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø
 
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NarrowJ

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NarrowJ
I'm more results-focused here and do not care about style points. The end result is a very very low turnover rate. In fact, one of the best in the nation for a player that has the ball as much as he does.

Gritty was correct, usage rate isn't the best statistic for me to use. I've been short selling my own argument. He has the ball much more than the usage rate indicates.

Anyway, the turnover rate is just a statistical fact that cannot be disputed. And, a major reason our offense is so efficient.
 
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TheodoreRex

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The ending of our regular season and big ten tournament were such a success. We beat a hot and talented Iowa team at home, beat a solid Minnesota team that played out of their mind at home, beat a Wisconsin team that almost never loses at home, we played a close game against Purdue (with our studs playing meh), then went and beat a scorching hot Iowa team at their place. Then we go and play OSU, Nebraska, and Wisconsin (all teams playing by far their best ball) and win a big ten championship. We finished 7/8 in our last 8 games and beat 5 quad 1 opponents. And best of all, we actually had some bite on defense.
 
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ChiefGritty

ChiefGritty
Chicago, IL
ChiefGritty
NarrowJ said:
The end result is a very very low turnover rate. In fact, one of the best in the nation for a player that has the ball as much as he does.
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Domask had the 7th most turnovers of any Big Ten player.

More than AJ Hoggard, more than Boo Buie, more than Tony Perkins, more than Dug McDaniel, more than Zach Edey. Those guys all had the ball more.

You are ascribing a statistical tendency to Domask that isn't real, I'm sorry to have to keep going at you here.

Domask is a moderately turnover-prone player. He's our team leader in turnovers by a lot. He led the Valley in turnovers last year.

He's still really good! He does many other great things! He's still definitely this roster's best option as a primary ballhandler!