Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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#551      
:cry: Love his energy and EDG demeanor
The thing with Ty is tho he doesn’t need to be a starter to get his minutes. He does a lot of things well so he’ll still likely get solid minutes off the bench and he’s the kinda guy who seems like he’ll accept his role.
 
#552      
i want

CLIFF OMORUYI.​


do we have a shot?
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#553      
The thing with Ty is tho he doesn’t need to be a starter to get his minutes. He does a lot of things well so he’ll still likely get solid minutes off the bench and he’s the kinda guy who seems like he’ll accept his role.
The thing with Ty is if the oppositions big can be assigned to him and not guard him since he doesn't even shoot outside a few feet. If they adopt this strategy like Purdue , UConn and others it is just tough to play Ty. He has to get a mid range game at the very least or he won't play much. The only time Ty played vs UComn was to start both halves and logged just 8 minutes. He has to get a mid range game or i doubt he plays a ton if we bring in guys and Amani gets better. Plus Goode and Davis with size and ability to shoot.
 
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Ty Rogers is one of my favorite players... but IIRC I've heard Piper say on the radio that Ty's mid-range jump shot in practice did not look good this year. He was being polite but it basically sounded like his shot was brutal.

Have they tried everything with Ty-- have they brought in some fancy shooting coach to try to retool his shot?

The guy went from 38% to 58% on free throws so I am still holding out some hope. I also wonder if he could hit a wide open, straight-on three pointer... if we are talking baby steps, that would be an obvious one.
Quoting myself from Madison:

On the flip side, Ty’s shot looks even worse in person. Super flat even from short distances.
 
#563      
Or his two fouls in a minute against NW. I like Harris but him and Ty cannot be on the floor at the same time

I thought Harmon played D well this year
He had a few games where his defense was solid, but for the vast majority of the season he really struggled to guard offball and had a very slow first step losing quicker players regularly. Justin's metrics have him grade out as the worst defender who received regular minutes. And eye test at least for me agrees. He was a subpar defender in my opinion and while adjusted defensive plus minus efficiency stats certainly aren't a be all end all, we were giving up 1.084ppp whenever he was on the floor, meaning we were around the 220th best defense efficiencywise when he was playing.

By comparison, while the teams were much much different, the team gave up 0.875ppp while Sencire was on the court last year. Adjusting for individual metrics, Sencire had one of the Top 10 largest defensive impacts on a team in the nation were it to translate to a per 40mpg basis.

Similarly on a per 40 basis, Sencire vs. Harmon translates to Illinois giving up around 14 less pts per game, which while very imperfect from a statistical perspective is still an incredible number. Basically, comparing Harmon to Harris defensively is just not remotely close.
 
#564      
Not entirely the case: the 2017-18 roster included Mark Smith, whom Brad Underwood recruited to Illinois. There have been issues with roster decisions in other years too, (Alan Griffin, Tevian Jones, Samba Kane). Character issues on last year's Illini team were very concerning along with issues in previous years for me means that, despite the fact that we have had a LOT of great, great people on Underwood's squads, I will continue to be wary of character issues.

Why be so sceptical? Because for a coach, it is really, really hard to look past talent, size and skill and think about (nagging) character concerns when your roster is in desperate need of something like a PG, a rim protector, a scorer.

That's realism.
 
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The thing with Ty is tho he doesn’t need to be a starter to get his minutes. He does a lot of things well so he’ll still likely get solid minutes off the bench and he’s the kinda guy who seems like he’ll accept his role.
Hopefully he sees this as his “role”. However, as we upgrade talent, his role may diminish rather than expand. That may be very hard to accept.
 
#566      
Is Xavier Booker still planning on hitting the portal? And would we pursue?

Thought I heard rumors during the season that he was unhappy.
 
#567      
He had a few games where his defense was solid, but for the vast majority of the season he really struggled to guard offball and had a very slow first step losing quicker players regularly. Justin's metrics have him grade out as the worst defender who received regular minutes. And eye test at least for me agrees. He was a subpar defender in my opinion and while adjusted defensive plus minus efficiency stats certainly aren't a be all end all, we were giving up 1.084ppp whenever he was on the floor, meaning we were around the 220th best defense efficiencywise when he was playing.

By comparison, while the teams were much much different, the team gave up 0.875ppp while Sencire was on the court last year. Adjusting for individual metrics, Sencire had one of the Top 10 largest defensive impacts on a team in the nation were it to translate to a per 40mpg basis.

Similarly on a per 40 basis, Sencire vs. Harmon translates to Illinois giving up around 14 less pts per game, which while very imperfect from a statistical perspective is still an incredible number. Basically, comparing Harmon to Harris defensively is just not remotely close.
Harmon overall is better than Harris. Harris wasn’t an offensive threat. Harmon had his issues but don’t tell me you would want Harris on the floor if you needed to score.

I think Harris could develop into a good player but he was a 20% free throw shooter
 
#568      
Hopefully he sees this as his “role”. However, as we upgrade talent, his role may diminish rather than expand. That may be very hard to accept.
Rodgers role will be the same at every school. It's not like there's a program that is saying you're perfect for us, our system is built around guys who can't shoot. So Rodgers can choose to step down a level or he'll have the same problem somewhere else.

Ty Rodgers is a college 4. Which is fine, a guy with his skills can be a very good, undersized post player. He is certainly not a guard, and if he's a wing, he's drive only. So the key to Rodgers is to fill out our guard position so he can move into the paint.

I personally think Domask was adequate at best as a PG. Give me a real true PG. Someone I don't have to worry about getting his pocket picked. Someone who can handle in pressure, someone that makes his teammates better. Get that guy and everything starts to fall into place much better.

I've never seen Boswell play well at Arizona. Literally every time I watched, I was thinking where was the guy I saw in high school and his stats are pretty good, so what is this? That said, I'd still take him in a second and he'd be a major help to our roster, if for no other reason than to get other guys where they can excel.
 
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Last year was an outlier as far as team culture goes. Years prior, the everyday guys were in full effect.
Are you sure about that? 2021-22 had Trent, DMW and Kofi that were leaders and staples of the culture buy-in. Those were multi year veterans and top players in the system. They were everyday guys. Not to mention our legendary program resuscitator in Ayo, who instilled that into this program, and was there for three years prior.

You can’t guarantee maintaining that culture with transfers galore. The evidence is in the results.

I’d say it’s 1-1 with 23-24 being a big W and 22-23 being a big L as far as culture goes.
 
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#570      
Is Xavier Booker still planning on hitting the portal? And would we pursue?

Thought I heard rumors during the season that he was unhappy.
He told the media he was for sure coming back after their tourney loss to UNC
 
#574      
Harmon overall is better than Harris. Harris wasn’t an offensive threat. Harmon had his issues but don’t tell me you would want Harris on the floor if you needed to score.

I think Harris could develop into a good player but he was a 20% free throw shooter
Offensive stats:
Harmon- 47.3% 2pt%, 30.6% 3pt%, 91.5% FT%, 5.5 OReb%, 9.6ast rate, 13.0 to rate

Harris- 48.7% 2pt%, 31.7% 3pt%, 20.0% FT%, 4.6 OReb%, 11.2ast rate, 16.1 to rate

So over the full season, Sencire is the better shooter and passer while Justin was the better rebounder, turned the ball over less, and was a much better free throw shooter. Basically a wash. Oh, and Justin's career stats are practically identical shooting wise. So this was a pretty average career year for him...
 
#575      
why on earth would he do that? Talk about being mismanaged and underutilized. He is the epitome of someone that should transfer. There was no excuse for Izzo to play some of those dudes over Booker.
Izzo promised him a ton of playing time next year
 
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