Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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I know that as the season drags on you get to be more and more of a fan of certain new players (ie Marcus) but the first half of this season might seem like watching replacement players during a professional sports strike and cheering for laundry.
 
#102      
2 things can be true. 1) Coleman shouldn’t be leaving and Brad should get him back and 2) If Coleman were to leave (and stay out of the Big Ten) no one should be unhappy with him.
 
#103      
I don't think there's a single soul on here who would argue the opposite.
Well let's just do it in terms of next season eligible players gained and lost during this "transfer period", which seems logical and consistent enough

IN:
Kylan Boswell
Carey Booth
Tomislav Ivisic
Ben Humrichous
Tre White
Jake Davis

OUT:
Coleman Hawkins
Dain Dainja
Luke Goode
Jase Butler
Amani Hansberry
Sencire Harris
Nico Moretti

I wouldn't outright say the OUT group is better, I think it's a close call. I would note that Hawkins is the highest ranked of anyone on either list, the OUT group is older and more experienced, and their case gets stronger if you limit it to 2024-25 season value, which maybe you should given the likelihood of players entering the portal every year.

If Hawkins can be a star for UConn next year, then Carey Booth can be a star for Duke two years from now.
 
#104      
Another aspect of Coleman transferring that I haven't seen talked about: When he gets drafted in 2025, he won't be known as Hawkins from Illinois, but rather Hawkins from X school. Every website with a player profile and every in-game graphic will have the name of the school he last played with as his college. His 4 years at Illinois could be forgotten by those in the NBA world. This is what hurts the most imo.
 
#106      
It has nothing to do with NIL or how we’re building our roster. Coleman loved his 4 years here and Brad is super happy and proud that he stuck it out 4 years. Coleman wants to do something different for his last year as does Brad. Simple as that. No harm in that either. Coleman will always be an Illini.

I totally get this. So many posters ignoring the fact that while Hawkins makes us much better next year he hurts our ability to build around multi year guys. He appears to be aware of that and has said so publicly.
 
#107      
Another aspect of Coleman transferring that I haven't seen talked about: When he gets drafted in 2025, he won't be known as Hawkins from Illinois, but rather Hawkins from X school. Every website with a player profile and every in-game graphic will have the name of the school he last played with as his college. His 4 years at Illinois could be forgotten by those in the NBA world. This is what hurts the most imo.
10000%….especially if it’s UNC
 
#108      
Another aspect of Coleman transferring that I haven't seen talked about: When he gets drafted in 2025, he won't be known as Hawkins from Illinois, but rather Hawkins from X school. Every website with a player profile and every in-game graphic will have the name of the school he last played with as his college. His 4 years at Illinois could be forgotten by those in the NBA world. This is what hurts the most imo.
I wonder if the nature of those will change along with the fluidity of movement.

TJ is going to be listed as an Illini in the NBA, despite spending more time in Lubbock. The portal continues to give and take...
 
#109      
Biggest question in my mind is where “academics” winds up in all of this. Who will be the college President to say “no more” for the first time since U. of Chicago did it in the 1930s?
Sports is far from alone, and probably isn't even at the top, on the list of domains where the imperatives of commerce are poisoning the educational mission of these institutions.
 
#110      
Well let's just do it in terms of next season eligible players gained and lost during this "transfer period", which seems logical and consistent enough

IN:
Kylan Boswell
Carey Booth
Tomislav Ivisic
Ben Humrichous
Tre White
Jake Davis

OUT:
Coleman Hawkins
Dain Dainja
Luke Goode
Jase Butler
Amani Hansberry
Sencire Harris
Nico Moretti

I wouldn't outright say the OUT group is better, I think it's a close call. I would note that Hawkins is the highest ranked of anyone on either list, the OUT group is older and more experienced, and their case gets stronger if you limit it to 2024-25 season value, which maybe you should given the likelihood of players entering the portal every year.

If Hawkins can be a star for UConn next year, then Carey Booth can be a star for Duke two years from now.
I'm sorry but this is a bit much. If you're saying are we as good losing the seniors, sure, but this team is markedly better than what it lost by transfer & we are still waiting on 1-2 signings:

Kylan Boswell = Coleman Hawkins (in terms of impact player in/out)
Carey Booth > Amani Hansberry
Tomislav Ivisic > Dain Dainja
Ben Humrichous > Luke Goode
Tre White = Jase Butler & Sencire Harris
Jake Davis > Nico Moretti

+ Player X, a ~$700k-1M transfer player
 
#112      
Illinois: Hey Coleman, we can get you $X per year

Coleman: I'm going to X, as they can offer me more

Dumb Illinois Fans: Traitor!
 
#113      
Is everybody gonna be sitting around the Coleman campfire telling stories of his Illini greatness and 4 years of unwavering loyalty if he knocks us out of the tourney next season?
Ask that hypothetical again when it's reality.

I find many think they will act/speak in a certain way when it's theoretical only to find reality is totally different
 
#115      
Well let's just do it in terms of next season eligible players gained and lost during this "transfer period", which seems logical and consistent enough

IN:
Kylan Boswell
Carey Booth
Tomislav Ivisic
Ben Humrichous
Tre White
Jake Davis

OUT:
Coleman Hawkins
Dain Dainja
Luke Goode
Jase Butler
Amani Hansberry
Sencire Harris
Nico Moretti

I wouldn't outright say the OUT group is better, I think it's a close call. I would note that Hawkins is the highest ranked of anyone on either list, the OUT group is older and more experienced, and their case gets stronger if you limit it to 2024-25 season value, which maybe you should given the likelihood of players entering the portal every year.

If Hawkins can be a star for UConn next year, then Carey Booth can be a star for Duke two years from now.
Nobody really likes this system (including Brad). You should probably write a letter to the Supreme court to tell them somehow veto the lower court decision instead of preaching to the choir here.

CH, Dainja, and Goode are sunk cost. They are basically out no natter what. Butler, Hansberry, Harris, and perhaps Moretti are the guys we might want to save. I tend to agree with you that we should keep a better continuity on the prep player side. I just hope a Chester-like incident does not happen anytime soon. But overall I fully support Brad because it may or may not be easy to find a better replacement.
 
#116      
Ask that hypothetical again when it's reality.

I find many think they will act/speak in a certain way when it's theoretical only to find reality is totally different

This is such an old idea that no one should care anymore. In the pros, people change teams ALL the time. David Montgomery - YEAH! now, David Montgomery - BOO!

It isn't a big deal, and people who think it is a big deal need to stop yelling at clouds and telling imaginary kids to get off their lawns.
 
#117      
Another aspect of Coleman transferring that I haven't seen talked about: When he gets drafted in 2025, he won't be known as Hawkins from Illinois, but rather Hawkins from X school. Every website with a player profile and every in-game graphic will have the name of the school he last played with as his college. His 4 years at Illinois could be forgotten by those in the NBA world. This is what hurts the most imo.
Want does the NBA know? The Hawk is an Illini.
 
#118      
Well let's just do it in terms of next season eligible players gained and lost during this "transfer period", which seems logical and consistent enough

IN:
Kylan Boswell
Carey Booth
Tomislav Ivisic
Ben Humrichous
Tre White
Jake Davis

OUT:
Coleman Hawkins
Dain Dainja
Luke Goode
Jase Butler
Amani Hansberry
Sencire Harris
Nico Moretti

I wouldn't outright say the OUT group is better, I think it's a close call. I would note that Hawkins is the highest ranked of anyone on either list, the OUT group is older and more experienced, and their case gets stronger if you limit it to 2024-25 season value, which maybe you should given the likelihood of players entering the portal every year.

If Hawkins can be a star for UConn next year, then Carey Booth can be a star for Duke two years from now.
Honestly, if Brad had locked down Storr like he thought would happen, this wouldn’t be a close call, and most of us would be thrilled by how the roster looks. I also think we need to wait until the Fall to accurately evaluate. Remember how TSJ unexpectedly fell into our lap?
 
#119      
Well, we know that Co-Hawk will not be suiting up for Mizzou or any other BIG team. That is enough for me. If he goes to Kansas or UConn and gets a BAG. So be it. He deserves it! I did have a fantasy that a GIANT HUMONGOUS BAG jumped out of the sky above STATE FARM CENTER and Coleman retrieved it. In the fantasy he was hugging the bag and said. "Why not? I can play all five positions". Where do you want me coach"? Let's suit up! THEN, I WOKE UP TO REALITY AGAIN :(
 
#121      
Apparently that $2 million BYU offer for Egor was bogus.
A Russian spreading propaganda for his own gain? *gasp* I can’t believe it. 😒
Orange Is The New Black Russia GIF by NETFLIX
 
#122      
Well let's just do it in terms of next season eligible players gained and lost during this "transfer period", which seems logical and consistent enough

IN:
Kylan Boswell
Carey Booth
Tomislav Ivisic
Ben Humrichous
Tre White
Jake Davis

OUT:
Coleman Hawkins
Dain Dainja
Luke Goode
Jase Butler
Amani Hansberry
Sencire Harris
Nico Moretti

I wouldn't outright say the OUT group is better, I think it's a close call. I would note that Hawkins is the highest ranked of anyone on either list, the OUT group is older and more experienced, and their case gets stronger if you limit it to 2024-25 season value, which maybe you should given the likelihood of players entering the portal every year.

If Hawkins can be a star for UConn next year, then Carey Booth can be a star for Duke two years from now.
Agreed on the experience piece, but we have 3 starters transferring in with broader skill sets. Only 1 starter transferring out. I really like what we have down low.

I’ll miss Coleman. I view him as the AJ Pierzynski of our team. Other teams hate him but we loved him.
 
#123      
NBA doesn't own the stadiums and isn't responsible for building and maintaining facilities.
NBA isn't responsible for funding MLB, NHL, NWSL, American Figure Skating, ATP, Professional Kickball Federation, etc.
NBA's core mission isn't to provide a public service (Education), life skills (provides income, but not life skills), and diverse knowledge (reason engineers have to take literature and other gen Eds/ pre-reqs).
The players have agents who are not thinking of this the way you are, and who are driving up prices at an astonishing rate. The only way to meet those prices in the long term is a direct revenue share between schools and players. I’m not judging whether that is good or bad, it just … is.
 
#124      
I wouldn't call this transfer portal a failure as we have a bunch of guys with some serious potential. On the other hand, it absolutely didn't meet the hype we were fed. As constructed now, I'm guessing most will have us finishing 4th-5th in the B1G next year at best.

Who is going to be our go to scorer next year?

If CH wants more money, bank the brinks truck up to his apartment and make him say no.
 
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