If you are mad at the player for getting more money, that is dumb in my book. (and as noted, he might not get more money to go somewhere else).
Being mad at the system is fine!
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If you are mad at the player for getting more money, that is dumb in my book. (and as noted, he might not get more money to go somewhere else).
Being mad at the system is fine!
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
It's not that this individual decision is a surprise or a systemic problem in a vacuum.
But it's not a vacuum. BU's Illinois has had a lower gravitational pull on keeping its own players (and assistant coaches to an extent) than most peers from the moment he got here, the general trend well predates NIL.
Now we all know the dance steps of justifying every individual one of those moves, but the plain facts of above-average outflow are very clear. Now of course BU's Illinois has ALSO excelled at bringing in new great players year after year after year, so we have come out way ahead in the shuffle, and the acquisition of promising talent continues.
But the "serious question about how we're pursuing our team building strategy" is whether at Peak Portal it is possible for Illinois to buy enough talent every year to live without an industry-standard level of (mutual, player side and staff side) desire for our players to stay? At Peak Portal we are seeing the BU level of willingness to have an amicable divorce means something close to a total roster flush every offseason. Is that viable?
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Insiders, has there been any interest that you have heard of for Jamir Watkins?
Have heard about the international kid, Kevin Patton Jr., and Miles Kelly, but besides from fans I haven't seen any talk about Watkins
Seems like the Shannon Jr. sell for him would almost be perfect, if he were to return to college.
Have heard about the international kid, Kevin Patton Jr., and Miles Kelly, but besides from fans I haven't seen any talk about Watkins
Seems like the Shannon Jr. sell for him would almost be perfect, if he were to return to college.
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mhuml32
- Cincinnati, OH
(1) The NBA spends lavishly on auxiliary initiatives - such as NBA Africa and similar programs, production, lobbying, non-season programming, and community initiatives. NBA teams also invest plenty of funds in private practice facilities, extended travel, nutrition, etc. that are either the same or more than college programs.
(2) there is a big accounting assumption based on how revenue producing sports allow other sports to exist. I get this is a D1-P4 focused board, but many, many schools have adopted a different approach and their sport programs exist with none of them making money.
The issue is not that there isn't enough money flowing into the system. The issue is who is getting that money and how much money they are getting.
I think Brad understands that bringing in a new roster every year isn't sustainable. I think (hope) that's why there was some priority on getting guys this year and aren't all one-year players. The current roster has pretty good class balance. It will remain to be seen how the roster turns over next year though.
I think we're going to get to a point where that doesn't even matter and player intros/profiles have no mention of a college affiliation.
Obviously, this isn't complete yet - if we add no one else - I would still make the argument we won "in the portal" but we will be a worse team next year than last year when you add losing our two best players. If we add a stud, I think it changes the evaluation significantly and I could say we had a home run offseason and have the potential to be as good as last year with 80% roster turnover which is saying something
Seeing Bobby Plager lift it did it for me and a drunk Brett Hull.
we are down to miles kelly or Kasparas Jakucionis
it will be one of those.
it will be one of those.
For the 'atta boy' crowd, how are we supposed to feel if a fully healthy Coleman signs with Michigan or Iowa or NW for his final year and makes first-team all big ten?
And here's a fun hypothetical. What if NIL was around during Dee Brown's time and he transferred to a rival his last year? Or pick some other beloved player from your college days... Lucas Johnson, Frank Williams, Deon Thomas, Kendall Gill, Eddie Johnson, etc. Now imagine them in a rival's uniform for their senior year hitting shots in Assembly Hall.
Unless they start selling velcro jerseys with interchangeable numbers and names for the kids to wear, I don't see how this current model is sustainable.
And here's a fun hypothetical. What if NIL was around during Dee Brown's time and he transferred to a rival his last year? Or pick some other beloved player from your college days... Lucas Johnson, Frank Williams, Deon Thomas, Kendall Gill, Eddie Johnson, etc. Now imagine them in a rival's uniform for their senior year hitting shots in Assembly Hall.
Unless they start selling velcro jerseys with interchangeable numbers and names for the kids to wear, I don't see how this current model is sustainable.
GrayGhost77
- Centennial, CO
CoHawk already made it pretty dang clear he will not go to another B1G team or Miznoz. Kinda threw shade at Goode for doing it.
Dee would have never been an Illini had this stuff been going on back then.
If he returns to college, fully expecting another “he was asking for too much” clunker.
3 point girl
- texas
I don't see CH in the same category of talent as any of the people you mention except Lucas Johnson, who will always be one of my most favorite Illini players ever. The other 5 would have left me devastated. Coleman not so much. Best wishes to him wherever he goes. Once he entered the portal he was erased from my mind in regards to the illinois basketball program. I really dont care who he signs with anymore. BU had no choice but to move on after he entered the portal & we should applaud what he has done so far.
The only guy I can think of then is Watkins to fill our alpha wing role. If he withdraws from the draft, I think we should go all in. He's the only one left.
Are we sure it's more likely for him to withdraw than to stay in?
Are we sure it's more likely for him to withdraw than to stay in?
How long (if at all possible with NIL) till we see performance based NIL or bonuses at the end of the year? Maybe if something along those line, we could have made it right with Hawkins at the end of last season. I can respect him wanting more money but it doesnt make me feel any better about it. I will admit I was critical of him at times, but never publicly and not nearly as much last year. He grew leaps and bounds last year. I wish he would stay, but also excited to see what these other elite guys that Brad has will do.
ILLINI IN NE
- Omaha,Ne.
It wouldn't bother me a bit, same with Dain's new team. In fact, if we do get knocked out, I hope it's CH's or DD's new team and they have a monster game. I'll be a fan of both their teams just because I loved them at Illinois. I'll be rooting for Goode also but not Indiana.
CH has shown nothing but love for Illinois and was a huge part of one of the best seasons we've had in a long time. He'll be one of my favorite all time Illini no matter what he does.
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