Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Loyalillini10

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PNWIllini said:
A guy from my neighborhood in CHS gym class bowling at Arrowhead threw one of these. But righty. It skipped over and hit 7 in the lane next to ours.

The lane was unimpressed.
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I used to bowl at Arrowhead every Monday with my friends. It was $2.00 games and $2.00 shoe rental nights.
 
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Loyalillini10

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ChiefGritty said:
Ivisic's 3pt shooting stats are lights out, DGL is a good shooter, Booth is a plus shooter for the position, this isn't really my worry at all, and Watkins and Kelly are decent shooters as well.

All of these guys are better 3pt shooters than Domask.
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I am with you on this one. 3-point shooting is one of the last things I am concerned about going into next season. Our roster is filled with shooters.
 
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Kendall Gill’s Uncle

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Fly Illini Fly! said:
Wasn't trying to sound too negative but...I mean...Watkins to Lathen, Kelly, or Kasparas - that gap is pretty big imo.

Watkins - we're talking a likely 1st team All Big 10 guy. Are any of those 3 that level?

I think those guys are okay...but I'm not sure if it'd be right to label them on that level IMHO.
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I’m just wondering what you are going to do if they don’t land Watkins and what you think anyone on here can do about them landing Watkins?

I would probably wait until we are finished signing people to get so worried or dump a bunch of money into ICON to make sure we have the resources to land who we want.
 
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FreshlySqueezed

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ChiefGritty said:
Holy cow, amazing stats department

Carey Booth in 2023-24: 1.1 3PG on 3.6 attempts, 29.7%

Marcus Domask in 2023-24: 1.1 3PG on 3.6 attempts, 29.7%

The difference is that 61% of Booth's FG attempts were from 3, whereas only 29% of Domask's were.

Domask has been a good shooter in his career but struggled in that aspect with us and increasingly downshifted that as part of his game, it never dominated his game in the first place.

Whereas this group coming in is all about letting fly, this roster is being built with exactly that in mind.
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You said Booth is a better 3 point shooter than Domask. There is zero evidence of that.

Nothing else you said was relevant to the discussion.
 
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john1952

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Loyalillini10 said:
I'm here to get Illinois basketball recruiting information. I am interested in what information is being given by those who may be closer to the program than most and really couldn't give a s@#$ what the fanbase at large is thinking. But that's just me providing another perspective.
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I would not know an insider if he or she jumped off the page and and bit me
I am here to be informed and amused by the fanbase.
 
#107      

Kendall Gill’s Uncle

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skyIdub said:
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Love it. Can’t believe a “buddy” was dropped on here.
 
#108      

BretMyBeachHouse

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well, I'm here for both. I like to hear fan's perspective on lineups, etc. I also here for information. Who's considering what schools. Who's entering portal.

I don't consider gossip to be information. To quote you, I "really couldn't give a s@#$ " about the rumor mill.
 
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ptgrd23

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HensonHall71 said:
If we get Watkins, I'd argue he's better than Storr and we will be really, really good next year, but even if we get Lathon, he would fit that role very well and we'll be a very good, balanced team next year ....
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He played very well against Illinois. Would be very mature and experienced playing his 5th year. 24 years old. I would take him immediately if we don't get a star out of the NBA combine.
 
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Illiniindian

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HensonHall71 said:
I think the staff has done a great job this portal season putting the pieces together - we have:
1) A top tier PG who is pass first and a good three point shooter (we have a PG!)
2) A 7 foot center who can shoot the three and spread the floor (we have a true Center!)
3) A really good shooting stretch 4 who can be everything QG was in stretches but hopefully more consistency
4) A high upside wing in Tre White with 3 years left
5) A high upside stretch four in Booth with 3 years left
6) Sharpshooter who can shoot on the move in Davis with 3 years left

I mean - it's hard to argue with how good we've done so far in filling key roles that will fit nicely together in one of the top offensive schemes in the country - yes we are missing another "action wing scorer" as the missing piece.

If we get Watkins, I'd argue he's better than Storr and we will be really, really good next year, but even if we get Lathon, he would fit that role very well and we'll be a very good, balanced team next year with guys that can really score and we'd have some really good defenders that can hopefully be even better defensively than we were down the stretch last year - we have someone to defend the five spot and good wing defenders and a true PG defender

The future is still bright in my eyes even if we don't get Watkins -because the table has been set so well, we don't need a superstar wing, just someone to be a good all-around player at that spot
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I completely agree. But don’t get why Sincere left. Isn’t he a SG?
 
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ColSLU69

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BashCtIllini said:
One of my concerns is 3pt shooting. We are a team that has averaged 794 3s a year over the last 3 years. Now granted, we've shown minimal concern about not making them. In 2022-23 we took 793 3s and hit 31% of them, but that was a frustrating team. Last year we took 809 but hit 35% and had a much better season.

Looking at this roster Boswell, Humrichous, and Davis are the only good 3pt shooters. And I personally have concerns that Humrichous is going to have a much tougher time in the Big Ten and I think Davis will be a bench player that sees less than 10 mpg. If we bring in Watkins or Kelly, they're not great 3pt shooters. We're either going to have to change the offense, or we better be good on the offensive boards, because our 3pt shooters don't look to be elite.
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Boswell shot 39.6% on 3s last season (45.0% in 22-23). Humrichous shot 41.4% last season. Ivisic is supposedly a 40% shooter on 3s. Jake Davis shot 38.7% on 3s last season. If we can get transfer SG Jordan Lathon, he shot 38.4% on 3s last season. If we also can get transfer SG Damari Monsanto, he shot 40.5% on 3s in 22-23, when he was not injured. Tre White shot 26.5% in 22-23, then shot 29.9% this past season; I would expect his 3-point shooting percentage to continue rising (certainly above 30%) this season for the Illini. Booth shot 29.7% on 3s last season; I expect his percentage on 3s will likewise improve in 24-25. DGL was not good on 3s this past season (22.2% in limited minutes), but he's a shooter, and I expect that his percentage of made 3s will improve this coming season. And apparently, Morez made some 3s this past season in high school, but I wouldn't expect him to be taking many 3s, at least not in 24-25.

All I am saying is that the above Illini team's roster (especially with Lathon and Monsanto), for example, could possibly be a very good 3-point shooting team in the upcoming 2024-2025 season. In any case, Illinois is still building its roster, and I think that the next Illini team will have sufficient 3-point shooting to be a good team once again. The reasons that the 22-23 team was not as good as last year's Illini was due to more than just that 31% on 3s.
 
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Emerson Bigguns

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FreshlySqueezed said:
There's the difference. I don't think this roster, even with one of the additions you mention, is Big Ten title good. One of those additions gets us off the bubble and into the Top 25 discussion, IMO.

And that's not doom and gloom. It's a transitional season where we are returning just two players. If we compete for the Big Ten championship, that's a masterclass by Underwood. If we're a competitive, NCAA tournament team this year, that's still a darn good job by Brad.

Everyone on here hates Torvik (usually when he doesn't agree with their opinion).

Right now, without Ivisic (not in his database yet), we are projected to be 59th overall.

Adding Lathon moves us up to 55th.
Adding Kelly moves us up to 54th.
Kasparas isn't in his database.

Maybe Torvik is WAY off, that's certainly possible. But it's the one actual data point we have so far.
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If you get into Torvik’s methodology, so much of what he bases his projections on is based on team performance. As I was on his page I saw some questions from readers about a specific situation with a player. He mentioned that one of the players was in the portal & portal players really “muck up” the projections. This was in reference to a single player coming from the portal…
 
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ChiefGritty

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Emerson Bigguns said:
If you get into Torvik’s methodology, so much of what he bases his projections on is based on team performance. As I was on his page I saw some questions from readers about a specific situation with a player. He mentioned that one of the players was in the portal & portal players really “muck up” the projections. This was in reference to a single player coming from the portal…
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As I said elsewhere, this has to be the hardest college basketball season to project in the history of the sport.
 
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derrick6

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ColSLU69 said:
Boswell shot 39.6% on 3s last season (45.0% in 22-23). Humrichous shot 41.4% last season. Ivisic is supposedly a 40% shooter on 3s. Jake Davis shot 38.7% on 3s last season. If we can get transfer SG Jordan Lathon, he shot 38.4% on 3s last season. If we also can get transfer SG Damari Monsanto, he shot 40.5% on 3s in 22-23, when he was not injured. Tre White shot 26.5% in 22-23, then shot 29.9% this past season; I would expect his 3-point shooting percentage to continue rising (certainly above 30%) this season for the Illini. Booth shot 29.7% on 3s last season; I expect his percentage on 3s will likewise improve in 24-25. DGL was not good on 3s this past season (22.2% in limited minutes), but he's a shooter, and I expect that his percentage of made 3s will improve this coming season. And apparently, Morez made some 3s this past season in high school, but I wouldn't expect him to be taking many 3s, at least not in 24-25.

All I am saying is that the above Illini team's roster (especially with Lathon and Monsanto), for example, could possibly be a very good 3-point shooting team in the upcoming 2024-2025 season. In any case, Illinois is still building its roster, and I think that the next Illini team will have sufficient 3-point shooting to be a good team once again. The reasons that the 22-23 team was not as good as last year's Illini was due to more than just that 31% on 3s.
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3 point shots on a bad team are a lot harder than on a good team.
 
#116      

NarrowJ

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FreshlySqueezed said:
You said Booth is a better 3 point shooter than Domask. There is zero evidence of that.

Nothing else you said was relevant to the discussion.
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He was explaining how volume and shot preference effects percentages. The 3 point shot made up well over half of Booth's offensive output while it was a small portion of Domask's offensive output. Meaning that, Marcus was far more selective with his 3 point attempts.

Hope that helps clarify.
 
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Indy Illini Fan

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ColSLU69 said:
As discussed earlier, if Illinois somehow signed transfer SF Jamir Watkins (FSU), then we would leave two scholarships open and be done with recruiting.

If Illinois does NOT sign Watkins, I think that we should try to sign transfer SG Jordan Lathon (Morehead State) [or transfer SG Miles Kelly (Georgia Tech)], then try to sign transfer SG Damari Monsanto (Wake Forest), leaving only one scholarship open. Just an opinion... and one I would expect BU to never share. :giggle: Lathon (or Kelly) and Monsanto, together, might somewhat proximate the production we would get from Watkins alone.
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Watkins would cost the rest of what we have in NIL ...

Lathon and Kasparas would cost what Watkins would cost ... And I am not sure you could get both ... But not because of $$$ ... PT mainly ...

Lathon and Monsanto would allow us to have some NIL left over that we could spread out across the roster ...

I am not getting the vibe from the staff that Brad is as interested in Kelly as he is as the 3 main pieces above ...

And if you want my opinion ... Give me Lathon and Kasparas if those are the 3 options on the table ... And if not that ... Lathon and Monsanto ...

I really like Watkins so that's not to say I don't think he's good ... I just like the value I get with adding Lathon plus 1 ...
 
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BashCtIllini

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Indy Illini Fan said:
I'd argue the only non 3 point shooters on the roster next year will be Ty and Morez ...

And even Morez shot 34% from 3 last year in HS ... I just don't think that will be how Brad will utilize him ...
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We had 4 guys shoot over 36% last year, and those 4 guys took 80% of our 3s. If you expect a repeat of that, you are awfully optimistic. I think only Boswell and Humrichous will be over 36%. Maybe Ivisic, but that would be on low volume.
 
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