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I often wondered how the relationship between TSJ and Brad was effected by all this. I hope this means their bond is tighter than ever and Brad was a big support for Terrence going through this awful experience.
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winepros said:
Same here, he was a total A-Hole. On his Top 25 and 1 rankings, he would consistently rank us much lower than the AP or the Coaches. He would never even mention TJ's play no matter how stellar it was. He deliberately snubbed us, and specifically TJ. By the end of the season, I despised him.
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Eh, I get the commentary side of things and not liking the stance he took. The rankings side though, he's been very consistent that his rankings look at the resumes and not who's hot at that moment. We didn't really collect many Quad 1 wins until late in the season (more over the last three games and B1G tourney than prior to that), so he had us lower based on how we'd likely be seeded at any given time. Remember we were a 4/5 seed until the BTT tourney bumped us to the 3-line, so having us outside the top 10 was fine for his process. Complaining about the rankings is just searching for something to hate, imo.
 
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TheDukeUIUC said:
Eh, I get the commentary side of things and not liking the stance he took. The rankings side though, he's been very consistent that his rankings look at the resumes and not who's hot at that moment. We didn't really collect many Quad 1 wins until late in the season (more over the last three games and B1G tourney than prior to that), so he had us lower based on how we'd likely be seeded at any given time. Remember we were a 4/5 seed until the BTT tourney bumped us to the 3-line, so having us outside the top 10 was fine for his process. Complaining about the rankings is just searching for something to hate, imo.
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But his descriptions of the games weren't even close to reality. It was so obvious what he was doing...Of course, I had heard him rant on his podcast - and tweet negative things about Brad Underwood for playing him, etc. He ranked us out of the top 25 at least once, and had us around 18 or 19 when AP had us 11 or 13 but the main thing was his little blurbs. It was as if TJ didn't even exist, even if he had scored 35 points in the game.
 
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winepros said:
But his descriptions of the games weren't even close to reality. It was so obvious what he was doing...Of course, I had heard him rant on his podcast - and tweet negative things about Brad Underwood for playing him, etc. He ranked us out of the top 25 at least once, and had us around 18 or 19 when AP had us 11 or 13 but the main thing was his little blurbs. It was as if TJ didn't even exist, even if he had scored 35 points in the game.
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You mean the same way the university was avoiding the subject?
 
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IlliniFan42

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Grange Grover said:
I often wondered how the relationship between TSJ and Brad was effected by all this. I hope this means their bond is tighter than ever and Brad was a big support for Terrence going through this awful experience.
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When the players attended Shannon's hearing, Underwood, when asked, said they were being good teammates. I interpreted that as the best expression of support he could make as a university employee.
 
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Battle89

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DReq said:
You take it out of the "he said, she said" situation when you add DNA present that identifies "a certain male" and I assume that would be the defendant. That makes it he said, she said, the DNA said what she said.
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What the DNA said does not in any way contradict what he said. He already acknowledged that he was there, and his story (in @alaskaillini 's example) is that she said she liked it rough, and it was not rape. That may or may not be true, but the presence of his DNA does not add some new damning element.

Edit to reiterate that I am following the hypothetical put forward by Alaska and responded by DReq. None of the above relates to TSJ or his case.
 
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illinifan1971

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This woman's false accusation led to his jersey being precluded from the rafters. Shame on everyone who supported her!
 
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winepros

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TheDukeUIUC said:
You mean the same way the university was avoiding the subject?
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Not really...Parrish spoke out strongly in a very judgmental way in podcasts and tweets. People even tried to share some of the story with him, but he wasn't open to it. He was firmly dug in with his position. In his little summary, he might say "Marcus Domask scored 14 pts and had 6 rebounds in Illinois's game against Nebraska, with Coleman Hawkins adding 10 pts" when in reality, TJ was the leading scorer in the game by a lot. It wasn't accurate but he refused to give any praise to TJ because he had decided he was a rapist and shouldn't be playing. Who made him judge, jury and executioner, anyway? He deliberately snubbed him week after week, because he disapproved of him being able to play. I looked at CBS Top 25 plus 1 the day after every game just to see if he would ever acknowledge that TSJ had turned in a fantastic performance, the headline that any factual accounting of the game would reflect. But NOPE, not Gary Parrish. And the University was in a very different position. I felt that Josh Whitman, Brad and the other players were pretty supportive, and more so as the season went on.
 
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illiniguy24

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Words can’t explain how badly I wish everyone who bad mouthed him would be held accountable. Especially those with a big public national media platform like Gary Parrish.

So many fans bad mouthing us for supporting our guy because we believed in the facts and his character.

I hope TSJ rightfully is selected to be a first round draft pick this summer and prove everyone he deserves every bit of his flowers.
 
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FightinIllini30

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I see a lot of talk about Gary Hairless on this thread. I posted about that first article (hit piece really) that he posted about “should they be playing Terrence?” And I agree that he should apologize for those statements. I think it’s absolutely ridiculous to make an attempt to crush a 23 year olds reputation just because you can. That is unacceptable and childish frankly
 
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Fighter of the Nightman

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ChiefGritty said:
I never liked hanging the defense on the mistaken ID question (Shannon was at the scene, has unique and identifiable hair, and is of course ridiculously tall when among normal people), why would she pick this guy she doesn't even know, of all people?

But the failure to make the DNA link does make that one more doubt in a case replete with them.

The only thing I still wonder about is witnesses. This was a crowded public bar. The police report said the accuser's friend didn't see the alleged incident, and didn't mention any other witnesses. Have they found someone who saw something in the meantime? Given the circumstances what could they have seen?

Perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself concluding that the case is dead, but a DNA negative is a big deal.
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RE: your first part, wasn’t it in the police affidavit that she had to go home and Google athletes from Illinois, KU and KSU, though? While that alone doesn’t indicate a mistaken identity (she could have totally recognized Terence right away but had no idea what team he played for, for example), didn’t it also say she had her back to the man during the entire incident? If so, I’m skeptical she even KNEW who to “identify,” so how unique Terence looks is relevant to me than it would be otherwise. Honestly can’t remember every little detail of this case, though.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman

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The Sprouting Divot said:
Honestly, who gives a !!!! what Gary Parrish has to say.
!!!! that guy.
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I agree, but it’ll never not be annoying when a funny looking guy who isn’t charismatic, funny, insightful or particularly likable somehow gets a platform like that and would use it to broadcast an opinion that directly hurts a kid like TSJ with SO few facts to back up his POV…
 
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IlliniFan42

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Icy veins said:
Someone smart tell me what opinion to have 😂
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I won't comment on my own intelligence, but I've reviewed hundreds of pages of documents regarding the case. That being said, in my opinion, regardless of whether or not the incident occurred, the case is unwinnable (from a prosecution perspective) given the documents currently available. There's simply too much room for reasonable doubt as it currently stands.
 
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nyc_illini

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IlliniFan42 said:
He was surrounded by basketball players and she's a freshman community college student who misidentified Justin Harmon as a KU player. She picked a tall guy who got unlucky that his hair would be the easiest to remember and then she scoured the KU and Illini rosters looking for a matching haircut.
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Sources?
 
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Fighter of the Nightman

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Lord Voldemort said:
TSJr isn't totally out of the woods yet, but his defense got a lot stronger. DNA provides no proof that Shannon touched her, let alone penetrated her. Unless the prosecution finds a really strong eyewitness this probably gets dropped before trial.
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And - obviously IANAL - how the f*** does one eyewitness testimony overrule reasonable doubt arising from Z-E-R-O DNA evidence tying Shannon to the incident?!
 
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