ESPN’s Pete Thamel, who broke Hafley’s move, cites “a source” blaming part of the departure on the state of things at the college level, where “coaching has become fundraising, NIL and recruiting your own team and transfers.”
It’s wild. There has to be a new governing body that will set clear boundaries and have a set when it comes penalization.But the same characters will violate the NCAA salary cap just like they paid players when it was illegal.
Ohio State AD Gene Smith claims recruits are asking for $5K to visit campuses in NIL era
In a congressional hearing on Wednesday, Ohio State AD Gene Smith said the practice of recruits asking for $5,000 to visit campus has "become common."www.dispatch.com
It's tagged at the top, but it could be a little more clear since you don't know which thread you're clicking when opening them via the latest posts tab.Any chance we can label these coaching threads Football & Basketball?
That eliminates what differentiates college football from the nfl, albeit in a soccer format with relegation….. which I think is stupid. The excitement of teams loaded with 5th year guys having one special season is just one example of many that’ll go away. it’ll just be a minor professional league that has worse players with some ‘prospects’ that show promise. Why even watch? It affects coaches too. Who would want to be a long tenured college coach? Will that even be a possibility or will that become even more like the nfl than it is now? 2 years to get things going then fired instead of the typical 3-4 or more currently.Wouldn't hate an above board salary cap and relegation/promotion style CFB. Make a mega conference with the most money with 32 teams. Divide them into 4 regional Divisions of 8. Play your 8 team division with 4 home and 4 away randomly assigned, 1 team each from the other 3 paired (after the first year) by place in division. Then 1 lower Tier early season game where the upper tear gives a standard payout.
Playoffs are 16 team playoff top 4 from each 8 team division. 1 v 4, 2 v3 from the division play each other then winners of those games to keep regional rivalry and heated early seeds. Then a re-seed for regional divisions to face each other down to the national championship.
Bottom 2 teams in each region get relegated Top 8 from tier 2 get promoted and regions get re-sorted to minimize travel.
Revenue sharing within your tier so promoted teams get a boost to help update facilities and such as well as pay for better athletes.
All athletes get one free transfer if their team gets relegated otherwise you're locked in. If you transferred to a team that then gets relegated you have to stay with your second team. Coaches can't revoke scholarships and if you accept a transfer and you got relegated subsequently you have to make sure you pay what you promised.
Just keep having descending tiers until you're out of college teams.
I respect your opinion, but I disagree because your arguments against are things that CFB already is.That eliminates what differentiates college football from the nfl, albeit in a soccer format with relegation….. which I think is stupid. The excitement of teams loaded with 5th year guys having one special season is just one example of many that’ll go away. it’ll just be a minor professional league that has worse players with some ‘prospects’ that show promise. Why even watch? It affects coaches too. Who would want to be a long tenured college coach? Will that even be a possibility or will that become even more like the nfl than it is now? 2 years to get things going then fired instead of the typical 3-4 or more currently.
Then, in far far away times, money will dry up as that reality sets in from a gradual degradation of interest. Possibly resulting in a scenario where things go back to or similar to how they were at the beginning, starting a new 100+ year cycle like the ancient Mayans predicted in their lesser known Long Count College Football Economics and Interest Calendar…
Reading this, can’t help but be reminded of one of my favorite scenes from Monty Python and the Holy Grail .Wouldn't hate an above board salary cap and relegation/promotion style CFB. Make a mega conference with the most money with 32 teams. Divide them into 4 regional Divisions of 8. Play your 8 team division with 4 home and 4 away randomly assigned, 1 team each from the other 3 paired (after the first year) by place in division. Then 1 lower Tier early season game where the upper tear gives a standard payout.
Playoffs are 16 team playoff top 4 from each 8 team division. 1 v 4, 2 v3 from the division play each other then winners of those games to keep regional rivalry and heated early seeds. Then a re-seed for regional divisions to face each other down to the national championship.
Bottom 2 teams in each region get relegated Top 8 from tier 2 get promoted and regions get re-sorted to minimize travel.
Revenue sharing within your tier so promoted teams get a boost to help update facilities and such as well as pay for better athletes.
All athletes get one free transfer if their team gets relegated otherwise you're locked in. If you transferred to a team that then gets relegated you have to stay with your second team. Coaches can't revoke scholarships and if you accept a transfer and you got relegated subsequently you have to make sure you pay what you promised.
Just keep having descending tiers until you're out of college teams.
Emerson: Did college sports just reach an inflection point?
There’s an understanding that the old system isn’t coming back. There’s a desire for a new system that works.theathletic.com
It is not an even playing field in college sports anymore. There was always inequity due to reputation, facilities, ability to get away with cheating, but ultimately everyone had the same opportunity, especially when you look from a coaching perspective. If you were a great coach, you could succeed at any school and put yourself in position to move onward and upward.Emerson: Did college sports just reach an inflection point?
There’s an understanding that the old system isn’t coming back. There’s a desire for a new system that works.theathletic.com
A salary cap would fundamentally change the way college sports has always worked and the blue bloods would fight it tooth and nail.I respect your opinion, but I disagree because your arguments against are things that CFB already is.
A minor league that only has a few prospects that make it to the next level.
What coaches besides the very top guys who have already had a shot at the NFL actually stay around at one place for more than 5-6 years? Dabo? Smart? Everyone else is either looking to jump to a P2 Blue Blood or the NFL already. Coaches will likely get the same amount of time they are getting now with current NIL to make an impression 3-5 years. If you're not close to the level you're striving for by then alumni and admins will get frustrated (unless they don't really care) and move on to the guy who can take them to the promised land.
The tiers with relegation at least put schools on the same money threshold and rewards teams for doing well. You're telling me we wouldn't be going absolutely bonkers going 10-2 in Tier 2 and having a chance to move to tier 1 and have more money to offer players. It condenses the playing field and makes things at least more exciting than praying we can limp along in the new B1G and go 6-6. As for the magic 5th year laden season that gets a team promoted that's amazing and a great story.
The cats out of the bag, money is flowing, and CFB has always been a minor professional league this just tries to level the playing field and concentrate talent so we see the best product. People clamor for the amateurism of the NCAA, but it never existed it was just professional athletes getting trained in a secondary skill for free.
I see your idea on relegation, and if it were to work out that way yeah I’d find that exciting. But would the more casual fan? Would there be enough interest left over if a team was in a lesser tier for an extended period?I respect your opinion, but I disagree because your arguments against are things that CFB already is.
A minor league that only has a few prospects that make it to the next level.
What coaches besides the very top guys who have already had a shot at the NFL actually stay around at one place for more than 5-6 years? Dabo? Smart? Everyone else is either looking to jump to a P2 Blue Blood or the NFL already. Coaches will likely get the same amount of time they are getting now with current NIL to make an impression 3-5 years. If you're not close to the level you're striving for by then alumni and admins will get frustrated (unless they don't really care) and move on to the guy who can take them to the promised land.
The tiers with relegation at least put schools on the same money threshold and rewards teams for doing well. You're telling me we wouldn't be going absolutely bonkers going 10-2 in Tier 2 and having a chance to move to tier 1 and have more money to offer players. It condenses the playing field and makes things at least more exciting than praying we can limp along in the new B1G and go 6-6. As for the magic 5th year laden season that gets a team promoted that's amazing and a great story.
The cats out of the bag, money is flowing, and CFB has always been a minor professional league this just tries to level the playing field and concentrate talent so we see the best product. People clamor for the amateurism of the NCAA, but it never existed it was just professional athletes getting trained in a secondary skill for free.
I, for one, think the SuperLeague/Relegation model *could* work.I see your idea on relegation, and if it were to work out that way yeah I’d find that exciting. But would the more casual fan? Would there be enough interest left over if a team was in a lesser tier for an extended period?
Another poster basically said they think relegation will effectively happen, but because the schools will get tired of sinking $ into what they perceive as a lost cause. Unfortunately I think that is more likely. Then I can’t resist thinking further down the road on how that will likely mean less $ for college football as a whole because of a general decline in interest. Many things to consider as far as what that would imply if that’s what ends up happening, including in regards to coaches.
Nah just give me the old Big Ten back. Send the Pac12, Rutgers, and Maryland packing. Nebraska can stay because they've been doing their best to keep us out of the B1G West basement and Penn State can do whateverI, for one, think the SuperLeague/Relegation model *could* work.
Think of the B1G, SEC and ACC as the English Premier League, German Bundesliga and Spanish La Liga, with the CFB SuperLeague being akin to the Champions League. That model works. The difference here would be that the (let's assume 20) teams promoted to the SuperLeague mainly play other SuperLeague teams. Say those teams are broken into 2 divisions -- they'd play a nine game round-robin with the winners of each division (and maybe two wild cards) going to the playoff. The teams could have a "pre-season" playing teams in their legacy conferences.
Even assuming that the top 6-7 teams in each legacy conference are gone to the SuperLeague for most of the season, the teams "left behind" would still have a lot of traditional rivalries and decent games. Envision a Big Ten with: Illinois, Iowa, MSU, Minny, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland, UCLA, Northwestern, Nebraska and Wisky all playing for the year-end goal of being promoted to the "elite," to replace a relegated team like Michigan, tOSU, Penn State, USC, Oregon or Washington. I think that would still preserve a lot of traditional rivalry and excitement.
Now, will the "Big Boys" agree to a system where they could be relegated? I highly doubt it.