Illinois Football Recruiting Thread

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#27
Don’t most programs allow their signed players a release if something like this happens after signing day? I know it’s not required but seems common.

I supposed different circumstances warrant different responses program by program but in my experience, if a kid requests a release related to a coaching change the school will fight it.

Not sure it matters much here. Was told months ago that the kid had a top 2 and we weren't in it but regardless, I would fully expect MS to protect their signed NLI's.
 
       
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I supposed different circumstances warrant different responses program by program but in my experience, if a kid requests a release related to a coaching change the school will fight it.

Not sure it matters much here. Was told months ago that the kid had a top 2 and we weren't in it but regardless, I would fully expect MS to protect their signed NLI's.
He could just transfer and use coaching change as the reason. He would get it
 
       
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He could just transfer and use coaching change as the reason. He would get it

Waivers for transfers leaving due to coaching changes or most reasons for that matter are denied routinely if the school fights you on it.

I wouldn’t place bets on the odds of the NCAAs thought process. Long run, you’ll end up broke.
 
       
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Waivers for transfers leaving due to coaching changes are denied routinely.
That would shock me as I believe it was reported coaching changes are one of the criteria after the Tate Martell acceptance.
 
       
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Miss St could let him out of it technically.

Also it sounds like he isn't very happy with it.



I would find that odd but yes, they can definitely let me out.

My original response was clearly too vague. By noting he had signed, I merely wanted to point out that the process now is much more complicated than him saying "Joe is out, so I'm out too" as is the case for a verbal commit.
 
       
#34
I would find that odd but yes, they can definitely let me out.

My original response was clearly too vague. By noting he had signed, I merely wanted to point out that the process now is much more complicated than him saying "Joe is out, so I'm out too" as is the case for a verbal commit.

Personally, I think what Miss St did AFTER the signing period was pretty terrible to the players and the NCAA should let anyone that wants out out. BUT I don't think the NCAA will do that. He would probably have to sit out a year, which wouldn't be a huge deal because he could redshirt, but I bet he probably won't end up transferring because of the risk of be forced to sit out. I think the one advantage we could have over other schools is we have open scholarships, right?
 
       
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I would find that odd but yes, they can definitely let me out.

My original response was clearly too vague. By noting he had signed, I merely wanted to point out that the process now is much more complicated than him saying "Joe is out, so I'm out too" as is the case for a verbal commit.

Schools generally defer to the new coach, with the nli, they don’t volunteer to let students out until after speaking to the new coach. New coaches usually fight for students they want, but also generally will let the student out of the student doesn’t want to be there anymore. But new coaches usually win these battles
 
       
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Personally, I think what Miss St did AFTER the signing period was pretty terrible to the players and the NCAA should let anyone that wants out out. BUT I don't think the NCAA will do that. He would probably have to sit out a year, which wouldn't be a huge deal because he could redshirt, but I bet he probably won't end up transferring because of the risk of be forced to sit out. I think the one advantage we could have over other schools is we have open scholarships, right?

Bold: I agree, to the letter, which everything stated here.

As for the last sentence, I'm not sure but it certainly helps. I never dug into the other team in his top two but I know it wasn't us. Whether or not that program would have a scholarship available would have to be known.
 
       
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Bold: I agree, to the letter, which everything stated here.

As for the last sentence, I'm not sure but it certainly helps. I never dug into the other team in his top two but I know it wasn't us. Whether or not that program would have a scholarship available would have to be known.

I think our advantage is our patience and a player could see that patience would have paid off. I’m not sure we would go back after him. We are generally forthright in telling kids to make the right decision for them. Once they make that decision, if it’s not us, the staff would rather have kids hat want to be with us. Jeff thomas was different because he wanted to come with us but had academic issues
 
       
#41
He’s getting called out publicly I don’t think it’s anything Against the staff. Just trying to stick to his guns

He started this a few months back though. It is good he is trying to get his kid recruited, but twitter is not the place to do it in my opinion. He is calling put Illini coaches. If I knew taking Powell would pay off I would be for it, but look what happened when Illinois took James Knight...
 
       
#42
He started this a few months back though. It is good he is trying to get his kid recruited, but twitter is not the place to do it in my opinion. He is calling put Illini coaches. If I knew taking Powell would pay off I would be for it, but look what happened when Illinois took James Knight...

Pretty much.

He’s doing on social media what every HS coach in DFW does off of social media, trying to entice an offer for a kid with no offers. Nothing to see here, unless you’re very bored.
 
       
#44
Pretty much.

He’s doing on social media what every HS coach in DFW does off of social media, trying to entice an offer for a kid with no offers. Nothing to see here, unless you’re very bored.
I wouldn't label that "nothing to see here"
 
       
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He’s getting called out publicly I don’t think it’s anything Against the staff. Just trying to stick to his guns
I appreciate him trying to take care of his dudes, but he needs to think better about how he words it if he is going to go public with it
 
       
#46
I wouldn't label that "nothing to see here"

I would, happens every year and like all other occurrences it’ll be forgotten with equal swiftness.

You’re a smart guy. Paying as much attention to twitter as you are is a waste of your time. There’s got to be more to discuss than a twitter non-fight fight and Lovie Smith’s like history.
 
       
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Uh, Tennessee, TAM, and FSU are not slouchy programs. ASU is usually ahead of us.
This year Tennessee and FSU are rebuilding, and ASU came from a similar place as Illinois a few years ago (about .500 when the coaching change occurred and hired an HC with no college coaching experience, all pro.
Regarding the "in-state advantage" ASU has a tougher time recruiting in-state than Illinois, but adapted their recruiting strategy to adapt to this. according to 247, 19 of the top 22 recruits went out of state. The highest rated in-state recruit ASU got was #22, but they still had an OUTSTANDING recruiting class with 7-4* players, SIX from California and ONE from OHIO! That doesn't even include Joe Moore from Mo. It's a matter of hiring good recruiters who already had networks and contacts in the prep ranks, unlike Lovie.

Regarding Tennessee, they do have a lot of state loyalty there, but it in no way leads to domination in recruiting. For the class of 2020, Tennessee had 11-4* preps and only 6 of them went to Tennessee. Even with that impressive haul, they got as many 4*s out of state with 3 from Georgia, 1 from Maryland, 1 from South Carolina and 1 from Florida. Obviously they built their class for recruiting and on the field coaching was decent as well.

I lived in Knoxville for a year and travelled a lot to Clarksville, and the support, and the vitriol for losing, is incredible there. IMHO Lovie wouldn't have made it past two seasons there.

TAM is a lot more than Texas recruiting, as proven by their landing Antonio Johnson and Antonio Doyle, who excelled at the Armour AA game, from Mo/Metro East area. They got 1-5* from Texas, and 4-4* from the Lone Star State, but they got 9-4*s from out of state, only two of which were from border states La and Arkansas. The rest were from Md, Ks, NC,NJ, IL, Mo and Fla where they have no natural attraction. Jimbo built his staff with top recruiters with networks nationally, something Lovie didn't think he needed.
 
       
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Trying to compare those programs to. Illinois? Please.
 
       
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This year Tennessee and FSU are rebuilding, and ASU came from a similar place as Illinois a few years ago (about .500 when the coaching change occurred and hired an HC with no college coaching experience, all pro.

Tennessee won 8 games and you said they are rebuilding. That should resonate something in the comparison of Tennessee football to Illinois football.
 
       
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This year Tennessee and FSU are rebuilding, and ASU came from a similar place as Illinois a few years ago (about .500 when the coaching change occurred and hired an HC with no college coaching experience, all pro.
Regarding the "in-state advantage" ASU has a tougher time recruiting in-state than Illinois, but adapted their recruiting strategy to adapt to this. according to 247, 19 of the top 22 recruits went out of state. The highest rated in-state recruit ASU got was #22, but they still had an OUTSTANDING recruiting class with 7-4* players, SIX from California and ONE from OHIO! That doesn't even include Joe Moore from Mo. It's a matter of hiring good recruiters who already had networks and contacts in the prep ranks, unlike Lovie.

Regarding Tennessee, they do have a lot of state loyalty there, but it in no way leads to domination in recruiting. For the class of 2020, Tennessee had 11-4* preps and only 6 of them went to Tennessee. Even with that impressive haul, they got as many 4*s out of state with 3 from Georgia, 1 from Maryland, 1 from South Carolina and 1 from Florida. Obviously they built their class for recruiting and on the field coaching was decent as well.

I lived in Knoxville for a year and travelled a lot to Clarksville, and the support, and the vitriol for losing, is incredible there. IMHO Lovie wouldn't have made it past two seasons there.

TAM is a lot more than Texas recruiting, as proven by their landing Antonio Johnson and Antonio Doyle, who excelled at the Armour AA game, from Mo/Metro East area. They got 1-5* from Texas, and 4-4* from the Lone Star State, but they got 9-4*s from out of state, only two of which were from border states La and Arkansas. The rest were from Md, Ks, NC,NJ, IL, Mo and Fla where they have no natural attraction. Jimbo built his staff with top recruiters with networks nationally, something Lovie didn't think he needed.

Maybe if you look only at the previous year to a new coach coming on did ASU and Illini come from similar places, but that doesn’t tell the whole story. In the last 15 years excluding bowl games, ASU has won approximately 40 more games than Illinois. In those 15 years, ASU was ranked for at least a week in 10 seasons to Illini’s 3 and appeared in 11 bowls to Illini’s 5. So ASU has a much better recent record of success. In the 3 years prior to Lovie and Herm getting hired, ASU was 18-20 and Illini 15-22, but ASU played in 2 bowls to the Illini’s 1 and was ranked one of those years. And that doesn’t even take into consideration any advantage ASU’s locale gives them over central Illinois.
 
       
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