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I think he is hinting that young black players, especially with reignited civil rights movements, may want to play for a coaching staff that can relate to their struggles and problems rather than white good ol' boys that share right leaning views of OAN.

This may give Illinois and ASU an edge for the players that have aspirations to use their platform to forward causes. It might also help Illinois recruit good young minority coaches as we have shown we want to have a "different" type of staff as Lovie says.

I don't want to put words in his mouth but that's what I see.
I guess we will see how it plays out this year. I would expect to see the greatest recruiting dividends from the civil rights issues happen this year, if at all.

If this is still getting so much publicity a year from now, I would expect more staffs across the country to adapt and then Illinois may not stand out as much.
 
       
I guess we will see how it plays out this year. I would expect to see the greatest recruiting dividends from the civil rights issues happen this year, if at all.

If this is still getting so much publicity a year from now, I would expect more staffs across the country to adapt and then Illinois may not stand out as much.
Maybe, but I highly doubt that many college programs change in the next year and in a year it may not be as big of a deal to fans, but it might still be important to the kids and families we are recruiting.
 
       
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I think it's fair to be cautiously optimistic while still having concerns about lovie and his recruiting.
Reasons to be optimistic:
1. Bowl game last year
2. 2021 team is the best in a decade
3. New facilities that recruits haven't seen
4. Program stability
5. Good at scouting under recruited players

Reasons to be pessimistic:
1. Recruiting will likely always be towards the bottom of the conference.
2. Will good transfers be there every year?
3. Lovie has done the bare minimum to keep his job so far
4. Questionable coaching hires
5. Questionable in game decisions

In my mind he's no just enough to keep his job but recruiting has been and will always be a concern as long as he is coaching here. We are finally in a position where we can Redshirt most everyone and let guys develop before hitting the field. Our current seniors didn't have that luxury but will lovie be around to see it pay off? Will these last 2 classes have the talent to develop into a competitive B1G team? I guess we'll just have to wait to find out.
 
       
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I read an article the other day about a black man growing up in the suburbs of Chicago (Naperville, I think).

Short version is that through a large portion of his youth and early adulthood there were maybe one or two black individuals that he saw in "positions of authority" (can't remember the exact phrase, hence the quotes). This included things like police officers, teachers, and even coaches for athletics.

With everything that has happened, specifically over the past month, there might be more of a focus from parents (and students) on where they could get the kind of environment that enables black individuals to be leaders.

It's an interesting dynamic and one that could mean a lot to kids and parents.
 
       
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I read an article the other day about a black man growing up in the suburbs of Chicago (Naperville, I think).

Short version is that through a large portion of his youth and early adulthood there were maybe one or two black individuals that he saw in "positions of authority" (can't remember the exact phrase, hence the quotes). This included things like police officers, teachers, and even coaches for athletics.

With everything that has happened, specifically over the past month, there might be more of a focus from parents (and students) on where they could get the kind of environment that enables black individuals to be leaders.

It's an interesting dynamic and one that could mean a lot to kids and parents.
It certainly could. I don't mean to downplay the importance of the social movement, I'm just skeptical of their impact to Illinois football.

Many thought Lovie's NFL pedigree would be a large draw for recruits, and while all of our recruits will praise that aspect of our staff, the recruiting rankings would say that most highly rated recruits couldn't care less. It will probably be the same with the black coaching staff. While it certainly means a lot to the kids on our team, I don't think we are going to move up the big ten recruiting rankings as a result.
 
       
Do we have any interest in Enrique Cruz? Instate recruit who has been a fast riser, and is now ranked a 4 star by 247.
 
       
Risiek is from a pretty good football school producing Tyler Higbee, Mason Cole, Artavis Scott, Justin Strnad, Geaorge Campbell in the pros and numerous college players...Juggs and DE Bobby Williamson of Clemson from the S Carolina/Clemson brawl.

His highlight tape looks really good.
 
       
I think it's fair to be cautiously optimistic while still having concerns about lovie and his recruiting.
Reasons to be optimistic:
1. Bowl game last year
2. 2021 team is the best in a decade
3. New facilities that recruits haven't seen
4. Program stability
5. Good at scouting under recruited players

Reasons to be pessimistic:
1. Recruiting will likely always be towards the bottom of the conference.
2. Will good transfers be there every year?
3. Lovie has done the bare minimum to keep his job so far
4. Questionable coaching hires
5. Questionable in game decisions

In my mind he's no just enough to keep his job but recruiting has been and will always be a concern as long as he is coaching here. We are finally in a position where we can Redshirt most everyone and let guys develop before hitting the field. Our current seniors didn't have that luxury but will lovie be around to see it pay off? Will these last 2 classes have the talent to develop into a competitive B1G team? I guess we'll just have to wait to find out.

I like the lists. On the Optimistic List, #2 is a low bar to clear but I guess the point is we are headed up. On the Pessimistic List, I guess I'm least worried about #2. Transfers seem to be expanding every year. The NCAA would have to make major changes to stem the tide of transfers. I guess as playing time decreases, we may find that we'll need another selling point to lure in the caliber of transfers we've landed the last few years. I'd probably rephrase #1 as, we continue to be near the bottom in recruiting. I'm not sure that it's fair to say we'll always be towards the bottom, especially given the items on the optimistic list.
 
       
I am the biggest Illini football homer, and I always drink the orange Kool-Aid, but I am not optimistic about this recruiting class at this time. This class is the most important class since 2017 and we don't have much to show for it yet. We need players who are no-doubt future Power 5 starters, but I am not seeing enough of them come in. We are reaching on fringe player too early. We don't need "Ready Now" guys, but we do need future starters. Right now, we are stocking up on projects, and that makes me really nervous.

I picked 20 player that I guessed we'd land based on hype and how hard it seems we are going after them and charted them out below. I don't see how we can view this as positive when Minny, Rutgers, Purdue, Indiana are crushing us on the trail. Am I pessimistic? Please tell me I am.

Ready To Play Now
None

No-Doubt Future Starters
OG Brody Wisecarver
DB Daniel Edwards
WR Patrick Bryant
WR Jimmy Valsin (Optimistic that Hayes-Stoker pulls this out)
DE Keith Cooper (Would be a huge add)
RB Justin Johnson (Low confidence to land)
K/P Collyn Hopkins? Trace Hrgich? Jake Marion? (All would be fine with Ligs)


Potential Future Starters
DE Sedarius McConnell
OG Hutson Lillibridge (I think we land)
OG Zach Barlev (I think we land)
DT Denver Warren (I think we reoffer after prep)
QB Walter Simmons III (Optimistic, still think Collier decommits)

Projects
DB Prince Green
QB Samari Collier
LB Trevor Moffitt
DB Tavoris Miller (Projected to land)
LB Dylan Rosiek (Projected to land)
WR Theodore Lockley (Projected to land)
LB Dedrick Smith (Projected to land)
OG Trevor Timmons (Projected to land)
TE Cole Rusk (Need a TE, haven't really offered many)


I appreciate your take. But I think l is a future starter, I also don't think Moffitt, Collier, or Green are projects.

We are recruiting measurables: speed, quickness, athleticism, etc. Because these attributes are not teachable. Technically, anyone on the line is a project, because they need to get bigger before they can step in and make a difference. But Mcconell has the frame and looks really good. Green has the speed and athleticism, Moffitt is just an all around beast. I think Moffitt will surprise many on this board.

As for those we have not landed, I won't discuss them. But, ultimately, you want to redshirt all players their first year, and I think we are in good position to do so. I would like to see more solid receivers, but they are the easiest to find in the portal, especially with the opportunity for playing time, which we will have after this year.
 
       
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Bryant just got a boost in his 247 composite rankings a couple days ago. Now in the top 1000.
 
       
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to see the greatest recruiting dividends from the civil rights issues happen this year, if at all.

If this is still getting so much publicity a year from now, I would expect more staffs across the country to adapt and then Illinois
I think it's fair to be cautiously optimistic while still having concerns about lovie and his recruiting.
Reasons to be optimistic:
1. Bowl game last year
2. 2021 team is the best in a decade
3. New facilities that recruits haven't seen
4. Program stability
5. Good at scouting under recruited players

Reasons to be pessimistic:
1. Recruiting will likely always be towards the bottom of the conference.
2. Will good transfers be there every year?
3. Lovie has done the bare minimum to keep his job so far
4. Questionable coaching hires
5. Questionable in game decisions

In my mind he's no just enough to keep his job but recruiting has been and will always be a concern as long as he is coaching here. We are finally in a position where we can Redshirt most everyone and let guys develop before hitting the field. Our current seniors didn't have that luxury but will lovie be around to see it pay off? Will these last 2 classes have the talent to develop into a competitive B1G team? I guess we'll just have to wait to find out.

I thing this is a good list.

Although these are not excuses, below are some of the rationale from Lovie on the pessimistic items.

1. Lovie likes the portal and will rely on the portal, because of this, we will never have full classes and the rankings won't be high. Also, Lovie is big on developing the man, so I don't envision him cutting bait with underperforming players, meaning we will not have full classes. If our team composite is high, I think we will be in a good position, but if we can't keep the composite high with transfers, then we will be in trouble.

2. With the talent landing at the top programs (and then not getting playing time) and rules loosening on transfers, the transfer market should be even better. When we have playing time available, this will be easy to use. When playing time is not readily available, this will be tough. Also, other teams will look to the transfer portal more and more, so although the market will get better, the competition may as well.

3. I would say the level of improvement of the roster is not bare minimum, but I would agree with that there is much to be desired.

4. Lovie wants to give qualified under recruited coaches an opportunity to shine. He has made that clear, particularly minority coaches, similar to the Dungy system. I doubt this changes.

5. This is something that Lovie will not change, but I don't like. He places his confidence in the players and doesn't manage the clock, etc. I doubt this changes, which is ok as long as we are winning. It won't be ok if we stop winning.
 
       
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I thing this is a good list.

Although these are not excuses, below are some of the rationale from Lovie on the pessimistic items.

1. Lovie likes the portal and will rely on the portal, because of this, we will never have full classes and the rankings won't be high. Also, Lovie is big on developing the man, so I don't envision him cutting bait with underperforming players, meaning we will not have full classes. If our team composite is high, I think we will be in a good position, but if we can't keep the composite high with transfers, then we will be in trouble.

2. With the talent landing at the top programs (and then not getting playing time) and rules loosening on transfers, the transfer market should be even better. When we have playing time available, this will be easy to use. When playing time is not readily available, this will be tough. Also, other teams will look to the transfer portal more and more, so although the market will get better, the competition may as well.

3. I would say the level of improvement of the roster is not bare minimum, but I would agree with that there is much to be desired.

4. Lovie wants to give qualified under recruited coaches an opportunity to shine. He has made that clear, particularly minority coaches, similar to the Dungy system. I doubt this changes.

5. This is something that Lovie will not change, but I don't like. He places his confidence in the players and doesn't manage the clock, etc. I doubt this changes, which is ok as long as we are winning. It won't be ok if we stop winning.
2. I'm hoping to find some articles later in the year comparing teams from different conferences who landed impactful transfers. I'm not paying attention to other programs enough to know how Illinois' utilization of the transfer portal compares.
3. I'm guessing by bare minimum he is referring to W/L record, not recruiting.
4. Miles Smith hire really sticks out here. Also Hardy Nickerson and Gil Byrd. I guess the jury is still out on some of the other coaches.
5. Besides in game decisions, you could also throw in his unwillingness to change the defense which has been horrid for several years now (outside of takeaways last year). I think most people have dropped this issue though because it's pretty clear that it won't change.
 
       
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I appreciate your take. But I think l is a future starter, I also don't think Moffitt, Collier, or Green are projects.

We are recruiting measurables: speed, quickness, athleticism, etc. Because these attributes are not teachable. Technically, anyone on the line is a project, because they need to get bigger before they can step in and make a difference. But Mcconell has the frame and looks really good. Green has the speed and athleticism, Moffitt is just an all around beast. I think Moffitt will surprise many on this board.

As for those we have not landed, I won't discuss them. But, ultimately, you want to redshirt all players their first year, and I think we are in good position to do so. I would like to see more solid receivers, but they are the easiest to find in the portal, especially with the opportunity for playing time, which we will have after this year.

I get both sides. I am a little concerned about lack of talent in getting top 750 players outside of Wisecarver. I know we have redshirted many of the high rated players we have this past year. On the other hand, the players we have reached for in this class, some have some really nice measureables. For example, Moffit and Roziek look like they have elite speed at linebacker (Moffitt especially) along with high IQ for football. If reaching, these are the type of reaches I like.
 
       
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I thing this is a good list.

Although these are not excuses, below are some of the rationale from Lovie on the pessimistic items.

1. Lovie likes the portal and will rely on the portal, because of this, we will never have full classes and the rankings won't be high. Also, Lovie is big on developing the man, so I don't envision him cutting bait with underperforming players, meaning we will not have full classes. If our team composite is high, I think we will be in a good position, but if we can't keep the composite high with transfers, then we will be in trouble.

2. With the talent landing at the top programs (and then not getting playing time) and rules loosening on transfers, the transfer market should be even better. When we have playing time available, this will be easy to use. When playing time is not readily available, this will be tough. Also, other teams will look to the transfer portal more and more, so although the market will get better, the competition may as well.

3. I would say the level of improvement of the roster is not bare minimum, but I would agree with that there is much to be desired.

4. Lovie wants to give qualified under recruited coaches an opportunity to shine. He has made that clear, particularly minority coaches, similar to the Dungy system. I doubt this changes.

5. This is something that Lovie will not change, but I don't like. He places his confidence in the players and doesn't manage the clock, etc. I doubt this changes, which is ok as long as we are winning. It won't be ok if we stop winning.
Not sure your last sentence is valid. We've had a losing record for 8 consecutive years.
 
       
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Risiek is from a pretty good football school producing Tyler Higbee, Mason Cole, Artavis Scott, Justin Strnad, Geaorge Campbell in the pros and numerous college players...Juggs and DE Bobby Williamson of Clemson from the S Carolina/Clemson brawl.

His highlight tape looks really good.
This kid’s very underrated to me. His tape’s impressive, and the kid really knows how to tackle with the best of them
 
       
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Yeah idk why we haven’t offered this kid. Maybe we know he has no interest or we like where we are with Pickett/carsello.
I know we’ve been down this road and don’t need to rehash it again, but I still don’t see the downside in offering regardless. It almost feels foolish to not even if he doesn’t have interest. Guess that’s why I’m not a head coach.
 
       
I just found this website I think some will find interesting that breaks down each p5 teams 2020 commits by position, state and who they win recruiting battles against the most. Unlike teams like Rutgers or some other lower p5 teams we are mostly beating other p5 teams for recruits. I couldn't find a team that regularly beat us for recruits. That probably has something to do with how few offers we give out though.
 
       
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I just found this website I think some will find interesting that breaks down each p5 teams 2020 commits by position, state and who they win recruiting battles against the most. Unlike teams like Rutgers or some other lower p5 teams we are mostly beating other p5 teams for recruits. I couldn't find a team that regularly beat us for recruits. That probably has something to do with how few offers we give out though.
This is a really useful tool, thanks!
 
       
2. I'm hoping to find some articles later in the year comparing teams from different conferences who landed impactful transfers. I'm not paying attention to other programs enough to know how Illinois' utilization of the transfer portal compares.
3. I'm guessing by bare minimum he is referring to W/L record, not recruiting.
4. Miles Smith hire really sticks out here. Also Hardy Nickerson and Gil Byrd. I guess the jury is still out on some of the other coaches.
5. Besides in game decisions, you could also throw in his unwillingness to change the defense which has been horrid for several years now (outside of takeaways last year). I think most people have dropped this issue though because it's pretty clear that it won't change.

So even though we were in the top couple teams in TOs last year, you think we had a horrible defense? Interesting view...
 
       
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