Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (April 2018)

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If it is his first official visit since decommitting from Pitt, why would it not be typical for the pundits to hedge their respective bets on him committing to Syracuse? I am sure that some of them talked to him at some point, whether it was during his visit, on his way home, or after he got home, but I find it highly unlikely that he is going to tell them that he made his decision at some point this weekend.

But you never know. Maybe he called his AD to let him know that he is going to be committing, to get the gym ready for a presser, and Golden, himself, let it leak to an insider. I really do not know, but given the fluidity of these things, it is like watching a wave go back and forth. Should he schedule another official, things will die down a bit and it is likely that some of the pundits may change their CB picks; it is doubtful, though, that they would change it until noon of the day that he signs so that they look good if they hedged correctly or get the change in so that their respective accuracy ratings are not negatively affected.
We've been over this many times, particularly when it pertains to crystal balls, and the bottom line is this: everyone here is an expert and anyone who disagrees clearly is naive.
 
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Think Trent is good with and without the ball, similiar to Dee. Ayo has also shown to be a combo guard who excels in transition. Once again good with and without ball.

Those that can defend, rebound, and handle the ball will be our 1-2-3 starters.

I see Ebo getting his share of minutes. See the best rebounder, defender, rim runner get the minutes at 5. We will need a big that can pass, pick, and shoot. Only see Kipper who can fill that role, and he is really a 3. Possibly in the future Georgi and Matic can be that type of big.
 
Assuming that he does not transfer, how long are you giving Matic before he becomes "that type of big"? I do not see it happening, but you seem to be much more optimistic than I am.
This chatter about Matic transfer is more about his past performance last year, which we all know was about 0. My thoughts are he might get the chance, but when he was recruited, staff brought his mom with, and her feelings was he was to get a great education, not sure she was worried about basketball. For him to leave, I think he would have to want to. His minutes couldn't get much less, so he would be hard to cut what isn't there.

His aggressiveness seems to be the one thing he needed to overcome. Will he, hard to say, but I don't think he can be creaned. Him being on roster is something that seems to be a given. Hope the staff will get the most out of him. Seems to me till he changes his mind, we have 1 schollie to give out. Time will show who will be the choice or option we have!;):illinois:
 
There is no way Okoro isn’t starting day 1 if he comes here. He may not be ready for the role, but there is literally no one else in our frontcourt who is ready either. Right now this is my best guess on the lineup next year:

PG: Frazier-Feliz
SG: Dosunmu-Williams
SF: Jordan-Jones-Griffin
PF: Nichols-Kane-Vesel
C: Okoro-Ebo-Bez

If Okoro commits it will be interesting to see how Underwood handles the frontcourt.
Do not agree with PF and C

PF: Nichols-Bez-Vesel
C: Ebo-Kane-Okoro

See Okoro long term as PF as Kane will be C. Just guessing Ebo will be more ready than the rest but foul problems will probably assure at least four of the above have ample playing time. Liddel could change the equation should we get him. Also see the increase in size of a Jones aiding Kipper at the four. Would guess there will be plenty of practice experiments with different combos.
 
Do not agree with PF and C

PF: Nichols-Bez-Vesel
C: Ebo-Kane-Okoro

See Okoro long term as PF as Kane will be C. Just guessing Ebo will be more ready than the rest but foul problems will probably assure at least four of the above have ample playing time. Liddel could change the equation should we get him. Also see the increase in size of a Jones aiding Kipper at the four. Would guess there will be plenty of practice experiments with different combos.
Okoro would immediately step in and be our best frotncourt player. If you think he’s reclassifying to do anything other than start, you’re sorely mistaken.
 
There is no way Okoro isn’t starting day 1 if he comes here. He may not be ready for the role, but there is literally no one else in our frontcourt who is ready either. Right now this is my best guess on the lineup next year:

PG: Frazier-Feliz
SG: Dosunmu-Williams
SF: Jordan-Jones-Griffin
PF: Nichols-Kane-Vesel
C: Okoro-Ebo-Bez

If Okoro commits it will be interesting to see how Underwood handles the frontcourt.
Feliz was brought in to run the point. If he was brought in as a back up, we would have waited on Ramey. One more player will leave, too. I think we add two more.

Ideally:

C. Okoro, Kane, Ebo
F. Nichols, Golden, Giorgi
G. Dosunmu, Jones
G. Frazier, Jordan, Griffin
G. Feliz, Williams

I think Griffin will move into the rotation early taking someone’s minutes. I look for a big jump for Williams. Kane and Ebo fight it out for rotation, but Kane is almost 4 inches taller.
 
Griffin is closer to a 2 star recruit than a 4 star recruit. Okoro is not a 5 star recruit, especially if he reclassifies.
Why are you guys arguing over "Stars" and how does what year someone graduates have anything to do with the kind of player he can be? Okoro is mature and is a very very good high school player. One in our state likely only second to Adam Miller. Right now we need a big more. This ranking crap gets old. Last year at this time I'm sure you guys wanted MS more than TF. Cliff Alexander or Carlton Bragg more than less athletic players that blew them away on the court. I'm old n tired and gonna take a break young fellas. By the way, neither McHale, Bird, or the Chief were athletic were 5 stars I guess but somehow are in the hall over much more decorated under achieving high flying athletes.Go Illini!
 
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Feliz was brought in to run the point. If he was brought in as a back up, we would have waited on Ramey. One more player will leave, too. I think we add two more.

Ideally:

C. Okoro, Kane, Ebo
F. Nichols, Golden, Giorgi
G. Dosunmu, Jones
G. Frazier, Jordan, Griffin
G. Feliz, Williams

I think Griffin will move into the rotation early taking someone’s minutes. I look for a big jump for Williams. Kane and Ebo fight it out for rotation, but Kane is almost 4 inches taller.
That would be a great line up and a great future for Illinois basketball. Hope it comes to pass.

Always appreciate your input combes.
 
Its a good bet that there's a reason everyone keeps dropping out of the "Ramey sweepstakes."
Are teams actually dropping? We got Feliz and Mack said he isn't recruiting him but there are still a bunch of schools recruiting him. What the story behind schools losing interest in Ramey? It seems like a rumor to me.
 
Are teams actually dropping? We got Feliz and Mack said he isn't recruiting him but there are still a bunch of schools recruiting him. What the story behind schools losing interest in Ramey? It seems like a rumor to me.

I would imagine Oklahoma State and Texas are still recruiting him, right?

We dropped out (presumably) because we took Feliz. Mizzou may or may not be out based on getting Mark Smith, but that appears to be related to some personal history between the Smiths and the Rameys. Beyond that.......
 
Why are you guys arguing over "Stars" and how does what year someone graduates have anything to do with the kind of player he can be? Okoro is mature and is a very very good high school player. One in our state likely only second to Adam Miller. Right now we need a big more. This ranking crap gets old. Last year at this time I'm sure you guys wanted MS more than TF. Cliff Alexander or Carlton Bragg more than less athletic players that blew them away on the court. I'm old n tired and gonna take a break young fellas. By the way, neither McHale, Bird, or the Chief were athletic were 5 stars I guess but somehow are in the hall over much more decorated under achieving high flying athletes.Go Illini!
Praise the basketball gods. Common sense here spot on.
 
This chatter about Matic transfer is more about his past performance last year, which we all know was about 0. My thoughts are he might get the chance, but when he was recruited, staff brought his mom with, and her feelings was he was to get a great education, not sure she was worried about basketball. For him to leave, I think he would have to want to. His minutes couldn't get much less, so he would be hard to cut what isn't there.

His aggressiveness seems to be the one thing he needed to overcome. Will he, hard to say, but I don't think he can be creaned. Him being on roster is something that seems to be a given. Hope the staff will get the most out of him. Seems to me till he changes his mind, we have 1 schollie to give out. Time will show who will be the choice or option we have!;):illinois:
Agreed. I am probably over optimistic about Vesel. Seems as if we are of two minds on Vesel. Most I think, have him all but packed and out the door already. While a few of us think he isn't going anywhere and actually could be a decent player the upcoming year. As I mentioned in another thread, this coming year is the one year that he has the opportunity to show that he can do something. Maybe not become a starter but a key player off the bench perhaps. Kane and Giorgi are going to be this past year's Ebo. That is, they are freshman and as such will probably play as much as Ebo did. They will get minutes but not at first. So this is the opportunity for Vesel to come off the bench and be the player that a lot of people say he is in practice.

Although he did not play a lot in games, just being at this level may give him a slight advantage over the incoming freshmen. The game may have slowed down for him a little now.

I was reminded by someone here that Vesel was not a starter on his last team. So this staff must have seen something in him otherwise why would they go with someone who didn't even start?

Also, Vesel mentioned somewhere that he was going to be spending a lot of time in the weight room with Fletch this summer. So maybe he isn't going anywhere just yet.

Of course, all bets are off if we get Okoro or Golden or a 5th year transfer.
 
While a few of us think he isn't going anywhere and actually could be a decent player the upcoming year.


I don’t think vesel has any shot of being a real contributor this year. if he sticks around, I think best case is he shows he’s able to play spot minutes and be a little bit effective (which would be a big jump) and then next year actually contributes as a junior. Seems like the odds are very much against him, but I wouldn’t be completely shocked if he developed into a solid contributor as a junior/senior.


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I don’t think vesel has any shot of being a real contributor this year. if he sticks around, I think best case is he shows he’s able to play spot minutes and be a little bit effective (which would be a big jump) and then next year actually contributes as a junior. Seems like the odds are very much against him, but I wouldn’t be completely shocked if he developed into a solid contributor as a junior/senior.


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Seems to me BU likes what he thinks Matic can become.
Is all of the "Matic is leaving" discussion borne of Fan Forums or legitimate reporting?
Perhaps Matic could take a soph redshirt to prepare for a bigger contribution later...
 
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