Or MOB and Piper/Werner are doing the same thing for their hits?!?!Is it possible that O'Brien and Dan are working together to drive up hits on this site?
Not saying it is happening but wouldn't shock me either.
Or MOB and Piper/Werner are doing the same thing for their hits?!?!Is it possible that O'Brien and Dan are working together to drive up hits on this site?
Or MOB and Piper/Werner are doing the same thing for their hits?!?!
Not saying it is happening but wouldn't shock me either.
Perhaps someone could do an inverse forrier transform to combine the frequencies of CPL visits to determine the time it will take to get a player to Champaign.Schrodinger’s cat says our Chicago recruiting isn’t dead if we don’t click on the link to that article.
The head coach of the University of Illinois basketball should have at least spent one day in Chicago. Probably a lot more too, but seriously this is not a good look. Underwood deserves criticism for not having done so.
People are looking at it from the wrong perspective. This is not about whether O'Brien is right or wrong, or whether it is Pipper, or whether BU is right or wrong or these coaches making negative statements. It is not that this case will go to court and you get a cookie if you win.
In order to be successful at Illinois you need to build strong relationships with the powerful HS, AAU, and media at Illinois. Recruiting is a business of building relationships. That is what Self did, and did it in a hurry when those relationships were broken. If these powerful coaches are making negative statements it just proves so far we have failed to build those relationships and mend fences. Combine that with the fact that recruiting has not been going well, not only in Chicago area but even the rest of the state, and it is troublesome. That is the real problem.
Bottom line here there is a group of posters here that doesn't like that BU yells at his players to get his point across. So for that they are gonna drag him thru the mud from every angle they possibly can. Get used to it fellas. He could win 25 games with a team of 3 star players and the same few posters would still be dogging his recruiting. It's not gonna stop no matter how much he wins.
Bill Self’s first class was Brett Melton and Jarrence Howard. His second class was Southern Idaho transfer Blandon Ferguson, Roger Powell, Luther Head, and Nick Smith. None of those recruits played major minutes as freshman. Luther tops that list at 16 mpg his first year. I’d hate to see what you would say about Self’s recruiting after those 2 years. In comparison, Underwood’s first two recruiting classes are far superior. Exactly 1 Chicag recruit for Self to that point, so where are the relationships Self made in Chicago and “in a hurry” by year 2? BU has a better pipeline established already. Self also had a much, much, much better product to sell.
Third class was Dee, Deron, James, Kyle Wilson, Aaron Spears. 2 of which transferred. We know about the other 3.
Self got exactly 4 Chicago area players to Illinois in 3 years. 1 Five star, 1 Four star, 2 Three stars.
BU’s second class at Illinois includes one 5 star, One 4 star, and several 3 stars (Giorgi is a stud and a great find). The recruiting is fine and on par to where it should be.
You can spin a narrative anyway you want. You can take one extremely biased one-sided article and sprint with it if you choose to. If you don’t like BU for whatever reason, just say you don’t like BU. Maybe it’s the coaching style, idk.
Furthermore, to this point in their Illini coaching careers, BU has outrecruited Self in Chicago if you count the fact that THT wanted to come to Illinois. Ayo 5* THT 4* - Head 4* Powell 3*....And has outrecruited nationally as well with a far inferior product to sell. Nick Smith, Ferguson, Kyle Wilson, Spears - Tevian Jones, Samba, Griffin, Giorgi, January, Higgs.
Let’s keep everything in perspective here.
But the issue is the $3,000,000 per year CEO of Illinois basketball is not controlling the narrative.
Bottom line here there is a group of posters here that doesn't like that BU yells at his players to get his point across. So for that they are gonna drag him thru the mud from every angle they possibly can. Get used to it fellas. He could win 25 games with a team of 3 star players and the same few posters would still be dogging his recruiting. It's not gonna stop no matter how much he wins.
IMO, this board is divided into those with patience and belief that BU will get this program back to prominence over a long rebuild vs those who see the W/L records, and less than overwhelming recruiting who believe a school like Illinois has too much to offer for a rebuild to take 3-5 years.
Bill Self’s first class was Brett Melton and Jarrence Howard. His second class was Southern Idaho transfer Blandon Ferguson, Roger Powell, Luther Head, and Nick Smith.
It's so fun to watch facts nuke someone's tired diatribe of BU and our recruiting "mess".
I have to disagree with this. I think most who have been negative on recruiting would gladly sing stronger praises for BU, IF he were to win 25 games no matter who he does it with. As a matter of fact, BU would get MUCH more credibility as a great coach, with great systems and ability to develop/put lesser rated guys in positions to excel.
It’s not necessarily the star power of the recruits he’s missed on, but the inability SO FAR to recruit the positions he needs to make his systems work as they have in his previous tenures.
It all comes down to instant gratification over patience. Logically speaking, signing higher rated recruits at positions of need will get a program to 25 wins much quicker, and its being done by coaches who took over programs when, or after BU took over Illinois.
IMO, this board is divided into those with patience and belief that BU will get this program back to prominence over a long rebuild vs those who see the W/L records, and less than overwhelming recruiting who believe a school like Illinois has too much to offer for a rebuild to take 3-5 years.
I don’t think being in one camp or another justififies being villinated, but this board sure does a great job mimicking the Hatfields vs the McCoys.
With the main difference that these "facts" are thoroughly wrong.
It seems that it is more fun for some to just post and comment against other posters (not on subject) even complimenting wrong information, but it is a privilege to have my own board stalkers.
He did, however he happened to be coaching a game then.The head coach of the University of Illinois basketball should have at least spent one day in Chicago. Probably a lot more too, but seriously this is not a good look. Underwood deserves criticism for not having done so.
Bottom line here there is a group of posters here that doesn't like that BU yells at his players to get his point across. So for that they are gonna drag him thru the mud from every angle they possibly can. Get used to it fellas. He could win 25 games with a team of 3 star players and the same few posters would still be dogging his recruiting. It's not gonna stop no matter how much he wins.
With the main difference that these "facts" are thoroughly wrong.
It seems that it is more fun for some to just post and comment against other posters (not on subject) even complimenting wrong information, but it is a privilege to have my own board stalkers.
Sure, theres always going to be people who aren't happy with the current team makeup, or how the HC acts, or how recruiting is going, but winning cures all. Those people will be rightfully chastised if BU starts fielding legit contender teams, with legit talent.Bottom line here there is a group of posters here that doesn't like that BU yells at his players to get his point across. So for that they are gonna drag him thru the mud from every angle they possibly can. Get used to it fellas. He could win 25 games with a team of 3 star players and the same few posters would still be dogging his recruiting. It's not gonna stop no matter how much he wins.