illinidarrin
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Looking good for our top targets?
Looks like Cincinnati and Louisville are his other power 5 offers. Looks like a good player.
OT Erik Swenson to Oklahoma
http://www.scout.com/player/173126-erik-swenson/recruiting?year=2015&s=73
http://www.scout.com/player/173126-erik-swenson/recruiting?year=2015&s=73
Does anyone know how up to date Scout is on the Simms situation?
They have him as a soft verbal to Missouri.
This is accurate or are they behind?
http://www.scout.com/player/188640-tre-vour-simms/recruiting?year=2015
They have him as a soft verbal to Missouri.
This is accurate or are they behind?
http://www.scout.com/player/188640-tre-vour-simms/recruiting?year=2015
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orangeswarm76
- hastings Nebraska
Nation and Marshall same high school same team and friends possible package deal , hello team speed, #fingerscrossed
Cubit is pulling in better talent than Beckman ever did. Some of these guys actually have legit offers from power conferences.
RHITIllini
- Chicago, IL
No, it is in poor taste to leak the academic issues of SPECIFIC athletes. It's one thing to complain in generalities, and I do feel they have some ground there.
But to mention that academics are a hangup for certain individuals is unacceptable, even if it is true.
RHITIllini
- Chicago, IL
WRONG.
Look at 2015.. that was a Beckman class. And for what it's worth, most of the recent commits that have come under Cubit aside from one or two, actually haven't had many legit D1 power conference offers.
Completely false. I agree with RHIT's point above and a quick search for the facts shows Cubit isn't doing well at all in the recruiting rankings.
Rivals
2015 - 45
2016 - 72
Scout
2015 - 34
2016 - 63
247
2015 - 48
2016 - 72
I'm no huge Cubit fan, but I think it's fair to point out that you're using Beckman's peak class to compare.
Rivals (under Beckman)
2015: 45
2014: 75
2013: 47
2012: 65
Cubit's class isn't great, but it will probably move up a bit and be better than Beckman's 2014 and similar to 2012. Again, not an endorsement of Cubit by any means. I don't think Beckman's 2012 and 2014 classes were acceptable, and this class from Cubit is nothing to write home about.
Completely agree in that case. So sick of being out-recruited by NW. It's ridiculous.
This is shaping up as a nice balanced class. (Hopefully we can add another DL) Plus, and this is huge long term, only one JC transfer.
LOVE the fact that we are getting football players from the South including Texas.
LOVE the fact that we are getting football players from the South including Texas.
RHITIllini
- Chicago, IL
I just wish some of them had other P5 offers and were guys I'd actually heard of prior to a week ago.
Just because we haven't heard of them doesn't make them bad players. Mason Monheim was a late addition to his recruiting class and that turned out pretty well.
ivwilsoniv
- Aurora, IL
Don't be so picky! :thumb:
IlliniOX08
- Bucktown, Chicago
Ok that's one example. I could pull up our recruiting classes since 2002 and go through the list of guys that were unheralded, 2 star or low 3 star recruits with weak offer sheets and count the ones that didn't turn out well. I'll bet you that list turns out much longer than the one Mason Monheim is on.
Yes we need to give all the guys in this class a chance first. Don't hold your breath though.
You proved my point. Don't judge a book by its cover. Rankings don't mean anything.
Also, the reasons Mason Monheim lacked big-time offers proved to be completely correct. Good kid and a good player in a limited, carefully circumscribed role, but if you have 11 Monheim-level athletes on the field on defense, you're going to need an extra digit on the scoreboard.
And the situation seems quite different right now. Everyone knew Monheim was a hell of a player, just not at the Power Five speed of the game. The whole MAC was after him. Right now it looks like we're more just grabbing athletic bodies wherever we can find them, and we'll worry about whether they fit into a coherent football team later. Lottery tickets, basically. We might find a couple of solid players this way, but the batting average will not be high.
IlliniOX08
- Bucktown, Chicago
Um, no I didn't. The point is that Mason is the exception to the rule. When you don't look at specific recruits but class averages as whole - recruiting rankings mean a lot.
When you take years upon years of recruiting classes where the average star rank is 2.6-2.8 what you get is a program that is 57-109 overall since 2002. The average star ranking of 14 signed recruiting classes in the same time frame... 2.62 (using Scouts rankings). So we don't exactly seem to be doing well with the whole "rankings are meaningless" argument.
As a whole, lower ranked players do not turn in to hidden gems. Which does not translate in to more wins. Yes you have some guys like Mason who the system under valued. As a whole the system generally gets it right. Which is why programs like Alabama, Florida St., Ohio St., LSU, USC and others are always at the top of the national recruiting rankings and always seem to be in the discussion for national titles.
The system pegged Mason Monheim exactly right.
Mike Dudek, there's an example of a guy that the talent evaluators (including the biggest experts in the field, college coaches) missed the boat on.
IlliniOX08
- Bucktown, Chicago
You're right - I do always forget that Monheim was a 3 star recruit. Dudek is a better example.
RB Devin Singletary
Devin Singletary no longer listed as a commit to Illinois on rivals.com. This change occurred today.
https://rivals.n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/166028
Devin Singletary no longer listed as a commit to Illinois on rivals.com. This change occurred today.
https://rivals.n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/166028
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