I actually thing the opposite in this case, very unSelf-y like in many ways.
I would take a Self-y guy in a heartbeat, but Marshall is not that guy IMO.
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I actually thing the opposite in this case, very unSelf-y like in many ways.
I would take a Self-y guy in a heartbeat, but Marshall is not that guy IMO.
Those are the questions, and I share your trepidation. But he's very credible. Credibility matters. No one is giving up after year 1 on a successful coach we stole from another Power Five school.
I definitely remember that he didn't do well within the MAC(I think he was average as far as winning percentage goes) but there was promise as he was a youthful coach with a good personality, good charisma, says all the right things, makes you believe that he would bring energy to the program again. People easily forget though. But, I think most people had a favorable response to the hire given that the first 2 choices declined our invitation(Stevens and Shaka Smart). He was brought in b/c of his recruiting he did at Ohio St as much as his success at Ohio U. That was the thought process behind the hire.
Boy did that work great last time around.
Matt Painter is at Purdue for the long haul. He had a couple of meh years and they have bowed out early in the tourney lately but the man can recruit just enough to field competitive teams and has developed a few of his players into NBA caliber players. I think he will easily be there for at least another 10+ years.
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Guys, Mike Thomas was pretty awful.
You forget 1 other major difference: He's a minority and Weber isn't. That makes a bigger difference whether you care to admit it or not. Just ask Charlie Moore why he went all the way out to Cal rather than staying in the Midwest. How does a guy from Morgan Park in the city go out to Cal of all places? It's about trust and gaining relationships and Cuonzo seems to be able to build connections. So, sorry, but Weber and Martin are 2 different people. No knock on Weber, but Martin can close the gap in Chicago.
Just spent a little time reading about him. He does seem like a guy with a high ceiling. Definitely needs to be on the short list.
I must have forgot that the Keady magic only works with minority assistants.
Now please explain me how the Charlie Moore thing is related to Keady?
For the record, I like Martin, as I have said, although I doubt stories that he has already agreed to the Illini job (usually these stories appear after big Illini losses) or that he is a sure thing to come here.
Also for the record, I believe being a "disciple of Gene Keady" is totally irrelevant to the Illinois search.
You are right that the personalities are very different. Much like Tim Beckman, Bruce Weber screamed closet case from the word go. Cuonzo would recruit better here
Yeah, and the idea of him being your boss only made us even more unattractive last time we had a search. I don't think that would be the case this time around. I think Whitman would be more of a help than a hindrance in attracting a good coach.
I must have forgot that the Keady magic only works with minority assistants.
Now please explain me how the Charlie Moore thing is related to Keady?
For the record, I like Martin, as I have said, although I doubt stories that he has already agreed to the Illini job (usually these stories appear after big Illini losses) or that he is a sure thing to come here.
Also for the record, I believe being a "disciple of Gene Keady" is totally irrelevant to the Illinois search.
Charlie Moore is related to Cuonzo Martin's ability to develop relationships in Chicago. Charlie Moore has nothing to do with Gene Keady. You were the one who compared Weber and Martin because they are from the same coaching tree.
Agree. Self was an upwardly mobile guy who was headed towards the top and everyone knew it even when he was at Oral Roberts. Marshall was at Winthrop for a long time and doesn't seem inclined to leave WSU any time soon. Also Self is slick and personable, from what I've read of Marshall, he's an odd duck who's not very comfortable in his own shoes.
Huh? you are the one who said that "the next best thing to big name coaches is a disciple of Gene Keady" which is the part in question.
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OMG that's perfect. There is one cool guy in that video, I'll let everyone guess which one
homesickalien
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Wowza. Hilarious. 1 extrovert and 2 guys who are uncomfortable in their own skin. Which guy do you think plays better with recruits? Just Wow!
Wowza. Hilarious. 1 extrovert and 2 guys who are uncomfortable in their own skin. Which guy do you think plays better with recruits? Just Wow!
Just because you're not an extrovert doesn't mean you're uncomfortable in your own skin. Gosh. Accept people for what they are. Everyone has different personality characteristics. It doesn't mean one is better than another. All 3 of those coaches have had success, 1 more than others, but all 3 have had success and you don't have to be an extrovert to recruit and develop talent.
First, if you are the right guy and a good recruiter, you should be able to keep the class basically in tact. Guys like Cuanzo or Keats would do that.
Keats is very interesting to me. Seems to be a dynamic individual doing a great job. Plays with tempo (can demonstrate with actual results, not just talk about), should be easy to attract guys to that style. Has recruited big time guys at Louisville. He's a winner, National Champ high school coach, at a winning program at Louisville, won is conference first 2 years as a coach and will win a third straight this year. A big step up from North Carolina Wilmington to the B1G, but he understands the level of basketball after being at Louisville.
Risky hire, but interesting.
Keats is very interesting to me. Seems to be a dynamic individual doing a great job. Plays with tempo (can demonstrate with actual results, not just talk about), should be easy to attract guys to that style. Has recruited big time guys at Louisville. He's a winner, National Champ high school coach, at a winning program at Louisville, won is conference first 2 years as a coach and will win a third straight this year. A big step up from North Carolina Wilmington to the B1G, but he understands the level of basketball after being at Louisville.
Risky hire, but interesting.
I agree about Cronin. He's a solid coach, and knows how to run a major program. I don't know how high his ceiling is, but that's true of most of the options and all of the "realistic" ones. I can't imagine a Cronin coached team looking as bad at fundamentals as the Illini. Some days they look terrible because they can't shoot, but they know how to defend and can break a press.
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