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skyIdub
Winged Warrior
Yep. Unless there is some grand slam Lovie Smith type hire that you just can't pass up that has a reasonable chance to hang on to the 2017 class....(no clue who that would be)....if we make the dance, Groce will be back.
Sal Iacuzzo
- Yonkers, NY
a class with one top 100 player
TJL was a 3 star. Honestly this roster is just probably abive the floor one should expect for our rosters and recruiting rankings, no matter the coach.
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It's funny that this is mentioned, because wasn't there one time back when Groce was still JFG and we were all freaking out that he would possibly leave us if the IU or tOSU jobs ever opened up?
Maybe I'm missing something but what does that have to do with Tim Miles
The notion that a coach would not leave his current gig for another one in the same conference.
yep...and I don't mind as long as he gets us in the dance. He seems a bit stubborn about players starting but I hope that 'favoritism' stops when the seniors graduate.
TownieMatt
CU Expat
- Chicago
The more names get thrown around, the warmer I get on Keatts. Lots of these names have pretty good arguments against. With Keatts, the only knock is that is isn't a big name and he's never been a head coach at this level. Beyond that, he seems like a really solid option.
KrushCow31
Former Krush Cow
- Chicago, IL
Notre Dame's recruiting class ranking is constantly in the 50s or high 40s except the class with Jackson and that doesn't count because he is gone. They are ranked 14th right now and have made the sweet 16 or elite 8 every year for like what 3 years now? 4? There's no reason we can't find a coach who can do the same.
I mean sure there is. That's why Mike Brey is one of the longest tenured power conference coaches. Pretty rare to find someone like him.
There's not that many coaches who can do that, or you'd see way less coaching turnover
OrangeAndBlues
- Indianapolis
I disagree entirely.
We have the winningest program to ever not win a National Championship. We're known as a major basketball school. We've had a fall from grace, but there is nothing stopping us from going back to where we were.
We'll recruit with the best of them once we get a face to the program that can be taken seriously.
You are misunderstanding his post, I think. He's simply stating our current roster is barely above our floor (low end of our recruiting level in any given year), so you seem to be in agreement, actually.
Rare, but hardly impossible.
I have seen a number of people make the claim that it's easier to find a coach who can recruit your way to success through sheer blunt force of talent than to find a coach who can coach up the baseline talent level of your program.
That doesn't strike me as correct, on two levels, first that I think both elite recruiters and elite coaches are equally rare, there aren't just 50 Lorenzo Romars sitting around waiting for a job, but secondly and more importantly, you need an eye-watering amount of talent to compensate for mediocrity in coaching, whereas if you scout and develop well, you don't even have to be the world's single greatest coach to have a lot of success with "normal" talent, especially somewhere like Illinois where "normal" talent is going to to have a pretty high floor.
OrangeAndBlues
- Indianapolis
Ah, that could be. My bad!
Temple, St. Johns, and BYU all have more wins and have not won a tournament.
P6 wise, yeah we are the most winningest w/o a tourney win, but not D1. Also, Texas is only a few wins behind us, so its not like we are the only high major who's won a ton of games without winning the tourney. It doesn't mean as much as you probably think.
Well, two years. They were terrible in 13-14 and missed the tournament.
I've been on the Cronin bandwagon, so I just took another look at UC's tournament results. They've made six in a row, but only one Sweet Sixteen, which is concerning. I have a feeling they're going to make a jump like ND did a couple years ago and be at least a Sweet Sixteen team. If not, I will be off the Cronin bandwagon.
UC played very well last night against a team that was on fire from 3.
I think what he meant to say is we are the 'best' program without a title. Those three programs may have more wins, but we probably have more tourney appearances, Sweet Sixteens, Elite Eights, and Final Fours. That is what the court of public opinion judges program prestige on.
OrangeAndBlues
- Indianapolis
That may be it. I was referencing an article from five or six years ago, it also may be that we've been caught since then.
If there's a conductor on this Keatts hype train, I'm going to hostile take them over. Or just talk louder until people think I'm the conductor. Or just keep constantly saying his name until it slips into my everyday vocabulary. "Yes honey, don't throw out that old torn t-shirt I want to keatt it."
What I'm trying to say is, Kevin Keatts is going to take some high level D1 school to the promise land and I hope it's Illinois.
We used to be the program with the most NCAAT wins without a title. Oklahoma passed us last year.
Well being a fan I'd agreed we are the best high major program never to win.
But having an unbiased view its hard to argue teams like Washington and Texas aren't at least relatively close to us in terms of program quality. They only have a few less losses then us. My point is we aren't an anomaly, but more a part of a minority of P6 schools that have had basketball success but have never won a championship. Theres a list, 10+ deep, of schools that have close to our amount of overall wins, F4, E8, and overall number of appearances that don't have a tourney win. Not to mention a ton more with just one. Even in the Midwest, Cincy and Purdue are two teams that dont have a tourney win, yet have had success.
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