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stuemke5

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Any flight tracker news this morning?? Heard a grumble, just curious. I'm not smart enough to manage that!
 
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Illwinsagain

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A couple pages back, someone listed "Josh's Supposed Top 3" in order.
1. Monty
2. Archie
3. Bryce

My question, is there any benefit to putting a list like this out there? I only see neutral or downside. If you get Monty, ok, but how do the other candidates feel? And what if you don't get Monty, is Archie ok being 2nd choice? Sorry, I was just thinking about earlier and was hoping someone else could explain the benefit. I realize that this likely didn't come straight from Josh.
 
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ILL in IA

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Illwinsagain said:
A couple pages back, someone listed "Josh's Supposed Top 3" in order.
1. Monty
2. Archie
3. Bryce

My question, is there any benefit to putting a list like this out there? I only see neutral or downside. If you get Monty, ok, but how do the other candidates feel? And what if you don't get Monty, is Archie ok being 2nd choice? Sorry, I was just thinking about earlier and was hoping someone else could explain the benefit. I realize that this likely didn't come straight from Josh.
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I think you answered it at the end of your post. Probably not from Josh because putting this out would add zero value to landing the next coach.
 
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StateFarmCenter

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Illwinsagain said:
A couple pages back, someone listed "Josh's Supposed Top 3" in order.
1. Monty
2. Archie
3. Bryce

My question, is there any benefit to putting a list like this out there? I only see neutral or downside. If you get Monty, ok, but how do the other candidates feel? And what if you don't get Monty, is Archie ok being 2nd choice? Sorry, I was just thinking about earlier and was hoping someone else could explain the benefit. I realize that this likely didn't come straight from Josh.
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That's not his list. In fact judging by everything else, he doesn't have a list like that. Something closer to tiers.
 
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Illwinsagain said:
A couple pages back, someone listed "Josh's Supposed Top 3" in order.
1. Monty
2. Archie
3. Bryce

My question, is there any benefit to putting a list like this out there? I only see neutral or downside. If you get Monty, ok, but how do the other candidates feel? And what if you don't get Monty, is Archie ok being 2nd choice? Sorry, I was just thinking about earlier and was hoping someone else could explain the benefit. I realize that this likely didn't come straight from Josh.
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I see what you're saying. Could certainly be a slight. However Whitman has gotten out in front of some potentially negative scoops before and could do so again. He could also spin it as Archie was in the tournament, he was gonna be contacted immediately when he was available, which was after Monty.
 
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RichardKeenesHair said:
Across Illinois boards there seems to be an anti-NBA hate factor - there is no coaching, no player development, no strategy, etc...All of that is 100% not true. There is a reason guys like Pitino and Calipari tried it and came back to college with their tail between their legs. As a matter of fact, almost every NBA coach that has gone down to the AAA of coaching in college has done very well. People are acting like Monty has no coaching experience - not true, he was just in the major leagues. Or put another way - would you rather match up Xs and Os with Gregg Popovich or Greg Gard?
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I think the hang up is there just cause they're so different. X's and O's for offense and defense are relative to the league because the NBA is has crazy rules for helpside defense. Because of this the way offense can and do scheme their spacing is different than what you see in college. The NBA also has a shorter shot clock which really reduces offensive options, but is offset by the insane level of talent, which is obviously way higher than college.

Off the court, NBA players are adults. Professionals. They don't necessarily require life mentoring after their first year unless they seek it out. College students are learning how to become reasonable and professional adults. They need to be taught those habits every day. An NBA coach might not be used to doing that much off the court intervention, or quite frankly might not want to. I'm not saying this is true of Monty, but it's a legit concern anytime someone makes that jump.
 
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Second and Chalmers

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Illwinsagain said:
A couple pages back, someone listed "Josh's Supposed Top 3" in order.
1. Monty
2. Archie
3. Bryce

My question, is there any benefit to putting a list like this out there? I only see neutral or downside. If you get Monty, ok, but how do the other candidates feel? And what if you don't get Monty, is Archie ok being 2nd choice? Sorry, I was just thinking about earlier and was hoping someone else could explain the benefit. I realize that this likely didn't come straight from Josh.
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The idea that we ought to hew our baseless speculation to the party line of the athletic department is always one of my favorites.

"Josh, I think Illinois is a great opportunity for me, but according to UpperDecker420, I'm not one of your "grand slams". I'll pass."
 
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Johnny Lawrence

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I think the hang up is there just cause they're so different. X's and O's for offense and defense are relative to the league because the NBA is has crazy rules for helpside defense. Because of this the way offense can and do scheme their spacing is different than what you see in college. The NBA also has a shorter shot clock which really reduces offensive options, but is offset by the insane level of talent, which is obviously way higher than college.

Off the court, NBA players are adults. Professionals. They don't necessarily require life mentoring after their first year unless they seek it out. College students are learning how to become reasonable and professional adults. They need to be taught those habits every day. An NBA coach might not be used to doing that much off the court intervention, or quite frankly might not want to. I'm not saying this is true of Monty, but it's a legit concern anytime someone makes that jump.
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All true but as Keene's locks pointed out, I can't name too many former NBA head coach's that failed on the college level.
 
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Obelix

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RichardKeenesHair said:
Across Illinois boards there seems to be an anti-NBA hate factor: there is no coaching, no player development, no strategy, etc...All of that is 100% not true. There is a reason guys like Pitino and Calipari tried it and came back to college with their tail between their legs. As a matter of fact, almost every NBA coach that has gone down to the AAA of coaching in college has done very well. People are acting like Monty has no coaching experience, which is not true, he was just in the major leagues. Or put another way - would you rather match up Xs and Os with Gregg Popovich or Greg Gard?
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Again, the NBA is a different animal. Much of the success is dependent on the organization, and decisions that management makes (e.g., deals, trades, etc.) versus the ability of a coach to recruit and develop a team in college. Totally different. You can pin Gregg Pop against a new head coach like Gard, but when USA selected a coach, they went for Coach K. Yes, a college coach.
 
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Ryan Evan...and the DJ Cardiologist .... Man, where to begin. I think they both want followers and Evans just seems clueless. However, the feud between them and Werner is comical. I have no idea what to think about that Victorious Illini Twitter account that keeps suggesting he is an insider. Guess we'll all find out in a few days who we can trust (to an extent)
 
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Second and Chalmers

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Johnny Lawrence said:
All true but as Keene's locks pointed out, I can't name too many former NBA head coach's that failed on the college level.
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Eddie Jordan. Isaiah Thomas. Michael Curry isn't doing well at Florida Atlantic. Terry Porter just started at Portland. The Avery Johnson era at Bama is too early to call.

There aren't a ton of examples. It does seem to be getting more common though.

Is there a rip-roaring success story that I'm missing?
 
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Greensboro

Greensboro
Greensboro
EthanM said:
The ADs for Indiana and NCSU didn't fire established coaches to replace them with a relative unknown such as Keatts. Gottfried and Crean both have gotten their teams to the NCAAs most years, and that's not enough for those schools. They're each looking for a big name coach who they think can get them to the top of their conference and put banners in the rafters. Keatts doesn't check that box because this is his first year in the tournament. These schools aren't relegated to looking for a mid-major coach or the next up-and-comer. They need a name brand coach, and that's not Keatts at this point in his career.

I think Marshall to Indiana and I don't know who to NCSU, but it won't be Keatts, and I think Archie is holding out for tOSU so it won't be him.
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A couple days behind, but you obviously missed on NC State. Makes you wonder if Archie is staying put or looking for greener pastures.
 
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Obelix

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RichardKeenesHair said:
Coach K was picked largely because he was an "outsider" to the players. In other words, he could sit someone on the bench and then didn't have to worry about them taking it personally and going off for 40 against him to prove a point. Do you honestly believe that Coach K is a better basketball coach than Gregg Popovich or Steve Kerr?
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Do you really think that because a coach is in the NBA, he is better than Coach K, Tom Izzo, Dean Smith, Bill Self, etc.? There are coaches that good both in the NBA and in college. The point is not that college coaches are better than NBA coaches, but the opposite is not true either. It is not a very difficult to comprehend, NBA is a different animal. There are HOF coaches both in college and the NBA.
 
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