The Illinois Coaching Search

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Mike

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FiveStar said:
I think the hang up is there just cause they're so different. X's and O's for offense and defense are relative to the league because the NBA is has crazy rules for helpside defense. Because of this the way offense can and do scheme their spacing is different than what you see in college. The NBA also has a shorter shot clock which really reduces offensive options, but is offset by the insane level of talent, which is obviously way higher than college.

Off the court, NBA players are adults. Professionals. They don't necessarily require life mentoring after their first year unless they seek it out. College students are learning how to become reasonable and professional adults. They need to be taught those habits every day. An NBA coach might not be used to doing that much off the court intervention, or quite frankly might not want to. I'm not saying this is true of Monty, but it's a legit concern anytime someone makes that jump.
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Let's survey the top 100 2018 recruits and ask them if they would rather play for an NCAA or an ex NBA coach. ;)
 
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MillerTime2017 said:
People know what's going on and I think on Monday we will be very pleased with the outcome. Huge upgrade over Groce!
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Maybe the NW fans pissed off Mrs. Miller enough up at the UC, and she'll convince her husband to take the job and exact revenge. :noidea:
 
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barchetta6 said:
Top of the 3rd. Here's where we are.

Keatts was 1st choice. Strike.
Martin choice #2. Strike.
Monty turned it down. Will get NBA job soon. Is he a shock choice? What are his credentials? Why hasn't he been snatched out before now if he's "The Guy"?

Marshall makes 3.5 now. And WSU will be joining a power 5 conference soon.
Archie will take UCLA job once Alford moves to IU.
Holtman would be great. But his good friend just got canned in Champaign and UI is no longer a better job than Butler.
Donovan? Can't see it.

Go get Scott Drew. I think JW's plan is unraveling. This job has no luster.
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Buncha made up !!!! for $800, Alex. :thumb:
 
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Mike said:
Let's survey the top 100 2018 recruits and ask them if they would rather play for an NCAA or an ex NBA coach. ;)
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Too general. I think it is still about the specific coach. NBA experience might get a coach in the door, but it won't close the deal IMO. Particularly if you are recruiting the top recruits.


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barchetta6 said:
Top of the 3rd. Here's where we are.

Keatts was 1st choice. Strike.
Martin choice #2. Strike.
Monty turned it down. Will get NBA job soon. Is he a shock choice? What are his credentials? Why hasn't he been snatched out before now if he's "The Guy"?

Marshall makes 3.5 now. And WSU will be joining a power 5 conference soon.
Archie will take UCLA job once Alford moves to IU.
Holtman would be great. But his good friend just got canned in Champaign and UI is no longer a better job than Butler.
Donovan? Can't see it.

Go get Scott Drew. I think JW's plan is unraveling. This job has no luster.
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Haha, this is pretty entertaining.
I love when posters say things like "Go get Scott Drew." What if Scott Drew doesn't want to get gotten? It has to be a two-way street. Whitman can't just kidnap him in a big money bag.
 
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I think coach negotiations in the NBA start later. Monty has already been talked about as a coaching candidate in the NBA. I do not believe that an offer from Illinois, let alone a reported/non-confirmed offer, which reportedly he has turned down, has any effect of NBA GMs.

Whether Monty sees college as a career path is a different story. But it is a commitment, this is not a 1-year commitment, especially when recruiting is involved. If Monty wants NBA asap, whether that is this year or next, coaching at Illinois will not be the ideal path. JMO but I think coaching at UI is at least a 3 year commitment, independent of contract.
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You could be right on the first point. I was just throwing out something that could explain how both set of reports would be valid. Completely agree on the second too. The question would come down to is if Monty is one of those guys that wants a good NBA job or just another NBA HC gig. The good jobs in professional sports don't open very often. The risk of taking an NBA were you have bad leadership or a poor roster typically ends in a HC getting fired. He has experienced that first hand. Like I said in the other post there are a lot worse places to wait for Pop to retire than UI for 4.5/yr
 
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Obelix

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Mike said:
Let's survey the top 100 2018 recruits and ask them if they would rather play for an NCAA or an ex NBA coach. ;)
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Name recognition matters. Whether that is college or NBA. I do not believe just because a coach was in the NBA, it is the deciding factor. Top recruits vote every year in this survey, with their commitment. And they vote blue blood college schools and their coaches, independent of their NBA past.
 
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sdfidaho

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Or maybe......JW hasn't had time to pursue any of these candidates, because he is zeroing in on his top choices for the women's HC'ing position.
The man has a lot on his plate.:noidea:
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
Eddie Jordan. Isaiah Thomas. Michael Curry isn't doing well at Florida Atlantic. Terry Porter just started at Portland. The Avery Johnson era at Bama is too early to call.

There aren't a ton of examples. It does seem to be getting more common though.

Is there a rip-roaring success story that I'm missing?
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Larry Brown.
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
Archie to UCLA to fight to the death with his brother seems like a very implausible move to me.
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I posted something similar yesterday. But, all brothers are different. They may look forward to having the top 2 jobs in the same conference and battling for supremacy. Sounds like fun.


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IntenselyOrange said:
Yeah, if we get either Archie or Monty we should crash Loyalty with posts of excitement.


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We should crash the site in excitement if it's any of Archie, Monty, Bennett, Marshall, Buzz Williams, or either Drew. There might not be a Shaka or Brad Stevens in the candidate pool this year, but there are several potentially program changing coaches (rumored to be) on the market. Exciting times!
 
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bredhartmann

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sdfidaho said:
Or maybe......JW hasn't had time to pursue any of these candidates, because he is zeroing in on his top choices for the women's HC'ing position.
The man has a lot on his plate.:noidea:
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I can promise you JW isn't sacrificing any effort on the men's coaching search in order to secure the women's coach.
 
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Obelix

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UofIChE06 said:
You could be right on the first point. I was just throwing out something that could explain how both set of reports would be valid. Completely agree on the second too. The question would come down to is if Monty is one of those guys that wants a good NBA job or just another NBA HC gig. The good jobs in professional sports don't open very often. The risk of taking an NBA were you have bad leadership or a poor roster typically ends in a HC getting fired. He has experienced that first hand. Like I said in the other post there are a lot worse places to wait for Pop to retire than UI for 4.5/yr
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And you could be right as well. I do not discount Monty having some discussions with GMs and asking "listen, I have this great college offer, I am seriously thinking about. I know you are not ready to make a decision, but can you give me your honest early feedback on likelihood for your organization." This would not be different from NBA GMs giving feedback to potential draft picks, underclassmen, making NBA draft decisions.
 
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FatGreg said:
We should crash the site in excitement if it's any of Archie, Monty, Bennett, Marshall, Buzz Williams, or either Drew. There might not be a Shaka or Brad Stevens in the candidate pool this year, but there are several potentially program changing coaches (rumored to be) on the market. Exciting times!
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I agree. I actually think these names are better than Shaka, but perhaps not Stevens.


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Keatts and Martin were pretty obvious a day after they were done with their seasons. If anyone really believes it's Archie the national guys will break it today.
 
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sdfidaho

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bredhartmann said:
I can promise you JW isn't sacrificing any effort on the men's coaching search in order to secure the women's coach.
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Ya gotta always be checking the batteries on those sarcasm meters. They burn out quick
 
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