FBI College Basketball Corruption Investigation

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Obelix said:
Say nothing, as schools that had not been directly involved did. They did not issue an official statement. Issuing a statement actually shows the need to defend yourself to the public. And IMO, if they felt that they needed to, the correct language would have been to vehemently deny that any member of the University was ever involved, without adding "monitoring" as part of the wording. Monitoring implies that the situation (wrt UI) could change.
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agreed. stupid to this. To the casual basketball fan you do not connect the two together. Right now as basketball fans, do you really know the other coaches involved if you don't really do you research? Absolutely not... the only ones I know of so far are the ones who have been named specifically. Now that Illinois has said the statement their name is automatically on everyones tongue
 
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This Whole Thing Just Makes Me Sad

We can hope that some good comes of this, but prior instances (albeit not involving asst. coaches) have failed to clean up the college game.

Meanwhile, my extremely high hopes for the season, which usually peak at this time of year, (due in part to recent results) are now replaced with a general sense of concern that even if Illinois had nothing to do with these practices, we will somehow be dragged into the abyss that results from rumors and speculation. "What did he know and when did he know it?" as opposed to "Will Illinois make it back to the tourney"

In general, I have no faith that the "bad guys" will truly be caught, but have a fairly high expectation that a number of people who did nothing improper will find their reputations dragged through the mud. And these processes will take a toll on anyone even peripherally linked to the wrongdoers.

It is a fairly sad commentary on the state of our nation that so much power, money and attention is paid to sport, and so little paid to issues that lead to a higher standard of living for our citizens. And no, I don't see this as a right vs. left issue; or to a certain extent as even a right vs. wrong issue.
 
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Obelix said:
Say nothing, as schools that had not been directly involved did. They did not issue an official statement. Issuing a statement actually shows the need to defend yourself to the public. And IMO, if they felt that they needed to, the correct language would have been to vehemently deny that any member of the University was ever involved, without adding "monitoring" as part of the wording. Monitoring implies that the situation (wrt UI) could change.
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Vehement denials make us sound like Pittino. We don't need that.

We are monitoring the situation. Admitting we are doing so is simply being honest. Of course the situation could change.
 
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different source but --

Michael Eaves‏Verified account
@michaeleaves

A person inside the #Louisville athletic department tells me there's an expectation that Pitino (and likely Jurich) will be fired today.

Jason Riley‏Verified account @JasonRileyWDRB

Jason Riley Retweeted Michael Eaves
There's a ton of hedging in this tweet, but this is what a lot of people are hearing.
 
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Seagee said:
Isn't it generally thought that Derrick Rose mainly went to Memphis because it was an Adidas school...?
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It was a lot more complicated than that. I think the whole think centered around Worldwide Wes and his association with Calipari. Regardless of the school's shoe affiliation, I believe Derrick Rose signed a lucrative contract with Adidas as soon as he declared for the NBA. That was probably in place long before then.
 
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whovous said:
Vehement denials make us sound like Pittino. We don't need that.

We are monitoring the situation. Admitting we are doing so is simply being honest. Of course the situation could change.
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C'mon... Louisville and Pitino were implicated in the prosecution documents. Illinois was not. There was no need for a statement, it showed that we felt the need to defend ourselves as if we were somehow involved. No need to issue a statement, period, as schools not involved/implicated also did not issue a statement.

There are hundreds of schools that are monitoring the situation, I did not see them feeling the need to be honest and issue a public statement.
 
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From Pitino's statement yesterday

" I am committed to taking whatever steps are needed to ensure that those responsible are held accountable."

Why haven't we heard of his resignation, then?
 
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miketherevelator said:
They will for sure be asking about BU -- he has long ties with Evans and hired him once and tried to hire him a second time. If he knew about what Evans was doing or if in some way that's what he hired him for, Evans will spill that to get out from under up to 80 years of prison time.
This isn't about us doing logic as to why BU did or did not benefit from what Evans did, it's more than likely what BU knew about Evans under his watch.
One report I read said scores of coaches are going to go down before this is over.
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We don't know of course, but I suspect many of the head coaches are out of the loop on payments --they just know the guy can recruit well. It may be that they suspect a guy cheats, but as long as they didn't handle the money, actively engage in the conspiracy, etc., I imagine they'll be able to stay out of trouble. That's my sense of it --no idea on how it shakes out though. This whole thing reeks as something that will blow up slowly, as pressure is applied.
 
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Maura Sirianni‏ @MauraSirianni 1m1 minute ago

Jurich just arrived. When asked if he is concerned about being let go today, he said: “No idea.”

Marcus Green‏Verified account @MarcusGreenWDRB 6m6 minutes ago
Under Rick Pitino's contract, he can only be fired by UofL board of directors or a board subcommittee after 10 days notice.
 
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Obelix said:
C'mon... Louisville and Pitino were implicated in the prosecution documents. Illinois was not. There was no need for a statement, it showed that we felt the need to defend ourselves as if we were somehow involved. No need to issue a statement, period, as schools not involved/implicated also did not issue a statement.

There are hundreds of schools that are monitoring the situation, I did not see them feeling the need to be honest and issue a public statement.
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Clemson and South Carolina both issued public statements. Like Illinois, they have "linkages" to the investigation.
 
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A person inside the #Louisville athletic department tells me there's an expectation that Pitino (and likely Jurich) will be fired today.

"I am guessing it ends this morning."

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Louisville went out on a limb to keep him through a couple headaches already, so this new scandal is probably more than they can bear.

Coaches gotta coach, but administrators gotta administrate. ;)
 
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Re the UI statement being released -

UI is connected to the probe through Underwood. Other schools with the same connection have now made statements as well.

The Chicago media will pay attention to how UI handles themselves. UI saying nothing merely leaves that media to speculate without any input/response from UI.

No one other than UI fans, etc. is paying any attention to UI right now. They're too busy salivating about Louisville. Once Pitino is dealt with they're likely to turn to Bruce Pearl and/or Arizona. Oklahoma State is small potatoes, at this time. They aren't a 'sexy' name school.

Of course this is all subject to change, based on what subsequently comes out. But right now UI is only important to UI.
 
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I was kidding about Carroll, pretty sure he's stuck at OK St. for this year. Btw - he does seem to be referenced in the complaint. Lamont Evans allegedly got paid $2k to direct a player to one of other defendants when he was considering going pro, but then the player decided to return to school. Assuming it's not about Jawun Evans - who actually went pro - Carroll is really the only guy that fits.


Re high schoolers - ya, I'm sure there's going to be a lot of tumult, maybe even 2017 recruits who have already arrived on campus but now want to transfer and sit out a year. Will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. If Bowen transfers from Louisville, I wonder if he gets to keep the 100k.
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U of L already assumes Bowen will be suspended. Same with Arizona and Quinerly.
https://twitter.com/ericcrawford/status/912881138103971840

3). THE SUSPENSION OF BRIAN BOWEN. This is a foregone conclusion. I’m not sure whether it’s right. Who knows whether Bowen knew what kind of strings allegedly were being pulled by his family. When Cam Newton faced similar allegations that his dad had asked for money in exchange for his son to play football, the NCAA allowed him to play because he’d had no knowledge of what went in.

The big difference was that in that case Newton’s family received no money. In this case, at least $25,000 is alleged to already have changed hands, with three more payments of that amount promised.

The Cardinals will play this season, but they will play without their most anticipated newcomer
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That was quick but 10 minute meetings and 'no comment' can't be good.

Maura Sirianni‏ @MauraSirianni 2m2 minutes ago

Tom Jurich leaving Grawmeyer Hall after about a 10 minute meeting with U of L Interim President Greg Postel. No comment again. @WDRBNews
 
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miketherevelator said:
Again -- and again-- the NCAA has nothing to do with this investigation. They heard about it when the public heard about it. This is the FBI and they will go after who they want to go after and not certain people first.
They will for sure be asking about BU -- he has long ties with Evans and hired him once and tried to hire him a second time. If he knew about what Evans was doing or if in some way that's what he hired him for, Evans will spill that to get out from under up to 80 years of prison time.
This isn't about us doing logic as to why BU did or did not benefit from what Evans did, it's more than likely what BU knew about Evans under his watch.
One report I read said scores of coaches are going to go down before this is over. We can only hope Underwood isn't one of them, but all the hoping in the world isn't going to matter to the FBI, or the fact that we've sucked so long we deserve a break or anything else. Like Obelix said last night, this is not a namby pamby NCAA investigation.
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The idea that Underwood was off at "Bob Huggins Fish Fry" while Evans was taking a bribe in Morgantown is fairly impossible to just accept. Evans almost certainly is going to claim his boss knew what he was doing.

Illinois, the university, is in the clear, unless there's some dirt yet to come out on Groce or his guys. But our shiny new coach could be at risk, which effing sucks.
 
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My take on why I think Underwood is clean (from this scandal anyway). Their is no reason for an agent to be paying 2 guys on the same staff. You find the in to the players. You get him on board. You pay him. Don't need to guys doing that job.
 
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Travis Ragsdale‏Verified account @TravisRagsdale 5m5 minutes ago

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Okay so a lot just happened. At the same time Bowen arrived, someone was bringing bags out to what we think is Pitino’s car. @WDRBNews

Travis Ragsdale‏Verified account @TravisRagsdale 4m4 minutes ago
Boxes and bags going into trunk of black Lexus at practice facility.
 
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miketherevelator said:
Travis Ragsdale‏Verified account @TravisRagsdale 5m5 minutes ago

Travis Ragsdale Retweeted Travis Ragsdale
Okay so a lot just happened. At the same time Bowen arrived, someone was bringing bags out to what we think is Pitino’s car. @WDRBNews
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Were they filled with $20s $10s and $5s?
 
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