FBI College Basketball Corruption Investigation

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Obelix

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EfremWinters84 said:
Clemson and South Carolina both issued public statements. Like Illinois, they have "linkages" to the investigation.
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Not at all the same as both schools had direct links. South Carolina was directly implicated/mentioned in the reports as University-2, also the employer of Lamont Evans with alleged violations while employed at South Carolina. Merl Code, former basketball player at Clemson (employee at Adidas who also worked for a Nike youth program with linkages to Clemson) was also prosecuted yesterday.

Illinois was neither mentioned, nor does it have a current or former employee, coach, or player that was part of the prosecution's case yesterday.
 
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haasi said:
Have you actually checked that this is true? Are there no other programs that have a coach who was affiliated with any of these assistants during a time period in question?
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I just edited that statement. But I was thinking of Underwood's exact situation of being a head coach for one year with a now indicted assistant at that program.

Here's the rundown of the other three Asst coaches that were arrested yesterday -

Person - job at Auburn, hired 4/7/14, was his first coaching job in the US. Hired by Bruce Pearl

Richardson - been at Arizona since 2009, hired by Sean Miller

Bland - been at USC since April 2014, hired by Andy Enfield

So, all but Evans were hired by the current head coach.
 
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whovous

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PNWIllini said:
The idea that Underwood was off at "Bob Huggins Fish Fry" while Evans was taking a bribe in Morgantown is fairly impossible to just accept. Evans almost certainly is going to claim his boss knew what he was doing.

Illinois, the university, is in the clear, unless there's some dirt yet to come out on Groce or his guys. But our shiny new coach could be at risk, which effing sucks.
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If the full extent of the evidence against BU is Lamont Evans saying BU knew I was taking money to direct a player to a financial adviser, no prosecutor on earth is going to pursue that case. Lamont may offer to sing, but he will need a better song than that to plea bargain his case down.
 
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jmwillini

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ILL in IA said:
My take on why I think Underwood is clean (from this scandal anyway). Their is no reason for an agent to be paying 2 guys on the same staff. You find the in to the players. You get him on board. You pay him. Don't need to guys doing that job.
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True as I understand it. As long as Evans was only funneling players to agents. If he was paying money to recruits, like it appears Louisville and Arizona were, all bets are off. Not sure if he has, as I might have missed something in all of the posts. Wow, this thread is moving...
 
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Obelix said:
Not at all the same as both schools had direct links. South Carolina was directly implicated/mentioned in the reports as University-2, also the employer of Lamont Evans with alleged violations while employed at South Carolina. Merl Code, former basketball player at Clemson (employee at Adidas who also worked for a Nike youth program with linkages to Clemson) was also prosecuted yesterday.

Illinois was neither mentioned, nor does it have a current or former employee, coach, or player that was part of the prosecution's case yesterday.
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As I just outlined, Evans' situation is different from the other three. Who hired Evans at Oklahoma State? Our current head coach. NONE of the other three are in that situation.

Who tried to hire Evans at UI? Our current head coach.

That gives Illinois a connection. Whether we want it or not.
 
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miketherevelator said:
Travis Ragsdale‏Verified account @TravisRagsdale 5m5 minutes ago

Travis Ragsdale Retweeted Travis Ragsdale
Okay so a lot just happened. At the same time Bowen arrived, someone was bringing bags out to what we think is Pitino’s car. @WDRBNews

Travis Ragsdale‏Verified account @TravisRagsdale 4m4 minutes ago
Boxes and bags going into trunk of black Lexus at practice facility.
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Are they getting all of the bags of money out before they're raided?
 
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whovous

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haasi said:
Re high schoolers - ya, I'm sure there's going to be a lot of tumult, maybe even 2017 recruits who have already arrived on campus but now want to transfer and sit out a year. Will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. If Bowen transfers from Louisville, I wonder if he gets to keep the 100k.
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His folks reportedly have received $25K so far, with the next installment due in November.

The part that interests me is that a big chunk of the money changing hands in these cases was government money. They gave it to their cooperating witness (CW-1 in the docs), and he gave it to the various crooked parties. That is probably not an exact description of events, but it really seems as though a lot of the money which funded this corruption was government money. Ya gotta wonder just how that budgetary process works.
 
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Obelix said:
Not at all the same as both schools had direct links. South Carolina was directly implicated/mentioned in the reports as University-2, also the employer of Lamont Evans with alleged violations while employed at South Carolina. Merl Code, former basketball player at Clemson (employee at Adidas who also worked for a Nike youth program with linkages to Clemson) was also prosecuted yesterday.

Illinois was neither mentioned, nor does it have a current or former employee, coach, or player that was part of the prosecution's case yesterday.
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This is why I think it was stupid to even comment. Why even say anything about it when we aren't currently involved in any way? All it can do is come back to bite you.

Plus the "corruption in corners of college basketball" bit was laughable.
 
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whovous

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Obelix said:
Not at all the same as both schools had direct links. South Carolina was directly implicated/mentioned in the reports as University-2, also the employer of Lamont Evans with alleged violations while employed at South Carolina. Merl Code, former basketball player at Clemson (employee at Adidas who also worked for a Nike youth program with linkages to Clemson) was also prosecuted yesterday.

Illinois was neither mentioned, nor does it have a current or former employee, coach, or player that was part of the prosecution's case yesterday.
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That is a pretty fine distinction. It is guilt by association in all of these cases.
 
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NewFan2011 said:
Well, I haven't seen Clemson. But I saw Xavier's comment regarding Book Richardson. So, factually, you're wrong.
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No I am not, and you can read my statement above. Illinois was neither mentioned, nor does it have a current or former employee, coach, or player that was part of the prosecution's case yesterday. Brad Underwood was not part of the prosecution case yesterday. He was not! If BU becomes part of the investigation, then Illinois should issue a statement at that time.
 
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whovous

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miketherevelator said:
Travis Ragsdale‏Verified account @TravisRagsdale 5m5 minutes ago

Travis Ragsdale Retweeted Travis Ragsdale
Okay so a lot just happened. At the same time Bowen arrived, someone was bringing bags out to what we think is Pitino’s car. @WDRBNews

Travis Ragsdale‏Verified account @TravisRagsdale 4m4 minutes ago
Boxes and bags going into trunk of black Lexus at practice facility.
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OK, so Pitino was told to pack his bags and get out.

But to take all the evidence with him?:eek::eek::eek:
 
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Obelix

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whovous said:
That is a pretty fine distinction. It is guilt by association in all of these cases.
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There is a huge difference if you have employed a prosecuted person or the prosecuted (charged) person is or was part of your organization, as coach, player, faculty, administrator, etc. None of the prosecuted/charged people yesterday was ever part of UI.

If you are saying that UI admits "guilt by association" and feels obligated to issue a defensive statement, then yes, we agree, it is stupid. It is a case of self-admission of guilt by association (by issuing a statement).
 
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whovous

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Obelix said:
There is a huge difference if you have employed a prosecuted person or the prosecuted (charged) person is or was part of your organization, as coach, player, faculty, administrator, etc. None of the prosecuted/charged people yesterday was ever part of UI.

If you are saying that UI admits "guilt by association" and feels obligated to issue a defensive statement, then yes, we agree, it is stupid. It is a case of self-admission of guilt by association (by issuing a statement).
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It IS guilt by association. That is not something that can be admitted or denied.

Look, the University has three choices:
1. They can take your advice and clam up. The media would have a field day with that.
2. They can take your alternate advice and scream our innocence to the rafters. Media response: "Methinks U doth protest too much."
3. They can do what they did. Make a quiet statement acknowledging questions have been asked, that the story is fluid, and that you are monitoring developments. That is called transparency, and that gets my vote.
 
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geneseo

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skyIdub said:
Can you imagine leaving the Chicago media to speculate and insert their own takes after a "no comment" statement? They are going to have a field day with this story anyway, why would you throw gas on that fire by avoiding a statement?
We can all quietly hope that this isn't going to touch BU, but my cup is back in place and adjusted.:illinois:
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Media will sensationalize anything including the weather. I doubt the statement will dissuade them. :(
 
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whovous said:
It IS guilt by association. That is not something that can be admitted or denied.

Look, the University has three choices:
1. They can take your advice and clam up. The media would have a field day with that.
2. They can take your alternate advice and scream our innocence to the rafters. Media response: "Methinks U doth protest too much."
3. They can do what they did. Make a quiet statement acknowledging questions have been asked, that the story is fluid, and that you are monitoring developments. That is called transparency, and that gets my vote.
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It is the wrong move. Makes it look like they are trying to get out ahead of something negative. Public Relations 101-do not inject yourself into the narrative if you are truly not involved. Also looks panicked and reactionary.
 
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ILL in IA

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Statement or no statement. Separate the federal case and Underwood, and what could be NCAA involvement and Underwood. Underwood having worked with Evans will not bring him into the federal investigation unless he was also taking money or directly involved. If/should the NCAA get involved, then I see possible reason to worry with the Underwood Evans connection. Head coach can be held responsible and sanction can follow him to new school.
 
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basementcheetos said:
It is the wrong move. Makes it look like they are trying to get out ahead of something negative. Public Relations 101-do not inject yourself into the narrative if you are truly not involved. Also looks panicked and reactionary.
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They were likely getting peppered with questions from all over the media as to Underwood's opinions/ complicity/ connections and their statement answers all of that without really answering any of it.

It's as simple as that, a lot of people are over thinking it.
 
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Adnarel

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basementcheetos said:
Public Relations 101-do not inject yourself into the narrative if you are truly not involved.
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See, that's not how it went down, though. It wasn't self-injection into the narrative. Underwood became part of the narrative immediately upon the revelation of charges due to his HC job over Lamont. Thinking otherwise smacks of naiveté.
 
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