Nebraska 64, Illinois 63 POSTGAME

#176      
My guess is that Alstork's lack of defense on that last play was heavily influenced by his fear of fouling. A new team, new coach, and new system has him playing tentatively.
 
#177      
My guess is that Alstork's lack of defense on that last play was heavily influenced by his fear of fouling. A new team, new coach, and new system has him playing tentatively.

I only saw it in real time, but thought we did a good job of slowing them up the floor. The shot wasn't a gimme. And you don't want to foul a guy attempting a three.

I am sure however that Alstork was afraid of fouling. Remember the Maryland game?

As I am thinking about it, we have lost in almost every conceivable close game senario.
 
#178      
If Underwood opted to foul up 2, and send the game to overtime, we would be talking about looking for a new coach. This is the most ridiculous idea. Not every coach8ng decision needs to be questioned because we lost the game. Guys hit shots. It happens. But if our best bet is a coach opting to play scared, we should just give up.

All of you are right, of course. My scenario sure seemed reasonable
though two nights ago, when I was trying to take some sting out of
that loss. Time now to switch gears and turn things around at Wisky.
 
#179      
I only saw it in real time, but thought we did a good job of slowing them up the floor. The shot wasn't a gimme. And you don't want to foul a guy attempting a three.

I am sure however that Alstork was afraid of fouling. Remember the Maryland game?

As I am thinking about it, we have lost in almost every conceivable close game senario.

The OOB call like the 2013 Miami game hasn't happened yet. Of course, there's a replay rule for that now. :tsk:
 
#180      
Personally, I’ve always favored the strategy of fouling when up by 2 with more than 5 seconds on the clock. The one thing you want to take off the table is losing on a last shot and effectively having no ability to respond. By fouling (in a valid, hard attempt to get the ball), you can take that off the table and give yourself the opportunity (assuming enough time to inbound and get a reasonable shot, hence, the 5 seconds or more) of winning on a last second shot. At worst, even assuming the other team makes the free throws, the game ends in a tie. (As the saying goes, “What have you got to lose ?”) Of course, the other team could make the first free throw, rebound a second miss and have a put back — but what are the percentages of that ? Particularly such percentages as opposed to the percentages of stopping the other team from making a 3-point shot ? Just how rare is it for a team to make a 3-point shot these days in the waning seconds of a game or a half ? Haven’t we seen several of those the last week or so ? Added to that is just what such a shot by the other team does to your team; it literally knocks the stuffing out of them. (Not to mention the fact that a team is hesitant to vigorously defend the basket in the fear of giving up a traditional 3-point play.)

So, we didn't foul and opted to play defense — how did that work out ? Did we have the final chance (with little or no pressure of losing in regulation) to win the game ?

Please tell me your real name is Archie Miller.
 
#181      
RedRocksIllini — No, I’m not Archie Miller — although I’d like his paycheck. And if memory serves me correct, we lost our last game simply relying on defense because the fellow made one of those seldom made 3-point shots (you know, like the one Frazier made recently) — a shot the defenders were probably not going to challenge too strongly for fear of fouling. And giving two (2) foul shots doesn’t necessarily mean they will be made — foul shots aren’t a given, particularly in such circumstances. Relying on my suggested strategy we might, of course, still have lost — but I suggest the likelihood is that it would at least have prevented a loss in regulation with no time to respond. And if we’d have gotten the ball down court with the score tied, how likely would the Nebraska defenders be to strongly challenge a shot, knowing one free throw results in a loss ?
 
#182      
Why in the heck was nobody guarding Palmer that last play! You would think someone would be in his shirt the whole way up the court. Nobody was near him! This guy was having a good game and illini didn't have anybody close to him going up the court. That is unbelievable! There should have been somebody trying to deny him the ball.
Then Black is nowhere near him to pop out and Alstork made no effort to come over and try to harass him.
The most agregious error is letting him go down court with nobody on him. What is Underwood doing?
 
#183      
Why in the heck was nobody guarding Palmer that last play! You would think someone would be in his shirt the whole way up the court. Nobody was near him! This guy was having a good game and illini didn't have anybody close to him going up the court. That is unbelievable! There should have been somebody trying to deny him the ball.
Then Black is nowhere near him to pop out and Alstork made no effort to come over and try to harass him.
The most agregious error is letting him go down court with nobody on him. What is Underwood doing?

He's keeping us in EVERY game, that's what he's doing! We haven't had this kind of exciting play in 10 years. We don't have the wins, but look how competitive we've become. We're in every game. How about a little support for the program.
 
#184      
Why in the heck was nobody guarding Palmer that last play! You would think someone would be in his shirt the whole way up the court. Nobody was near him! This guy was having a good game and illini didn't have anybody close to him going up the court. That is unbelievable! There should have been somebody trying to deny him the ball.
Then Black is nowhere near him to pop out and Alstork made no effort to come over and try to harass him.
The most agregious error is letting him go down court with nobody on him. What is Underwood doing?

I hope you're being sarcastic.

If not:

You do realize we still had to also defend the two point shot as well, correct? We cheat up too much on Palmer on the wing and he back cuts for an uncontested layup. Dude made a great shot, like Trent made at the end of regulation against Iowa.
 
#186      
illini62707;13672 The most agregious error is letting him go down court with nobody on him. What is Underwood doing?[/QUOTE said:
Underwood is probably screaming "somebody get on that shooter!".
 
#187      
Kathy, I've seen some coaching errors this season that have been very costly. Errors that have surprised me. I'm not an Underwood, Groce or Weber fan. I'm an Illini fan no matter whose coaching. So, when I see things I point it out.
Players should always be aware of cuts to the basket. The most dangerous guy on the court for Nebraska that night should have had somebody right on him to try to deny the ball. If he would have made a back cut Black was there if needed. He's got to work for the ball not come down unimpeded. Frazier, did a good job recovering, but the play should never been allowed to develop like that without more aggressive defense!
 
#188      
He's keeping us in EVERY game, that's what he's doing! We haven't had this kind of exciting play in 10 years. We don't have the wins, but look how competitive we've become. We're in every game. How about a little support for the program.

That's really not true. Even the Groce teams had some pretty exciting wins.
 
#189      
Oh it is FACT that this team is only losing one player via graduation this season. So... hate on haters.

I like the enthusiasm, and next year will absolutely have a better product on the floor, but I would be very surprised if we dont lose at least one kid to transfer. Attrition is going to happen.
 
#190      
That's really not true. Even the Groce teams had some pretty exciting wins.

Make sure you read the post before responding. The comment was that we have been in EVERY game. Notice every in call caps. The point was that every game has been competitive. Groce's teams were always good for a handful of blowouts every year. BW's teams tended to be more consistently competitive than but they were brutal to watch.

This team is fun to watch and if we could cut down on the turnovers and get a rim protector, we would be tough to beat.
 
#191      
Groce's teams were always good for a handful of blowouts every year. BW's teams tended to be more consistently competitive than but they were brutal to watch.

I'd wait for teams like MSU, Purdue, and (shockingly) OSU, before I say this team wont have blowouts just like a Groce led squad. We've only really played Michigan so far this year in terms of true quality opponents. Mizzou and NMSU could both be tourney teams but I find it hard to find any other team we've played so far making the dance this year (perhaps Minny, but now thats a long shot).

Still, I agree this team appears to have more fight than the past couple years.
 
#192      
I'd wait for teams like MSU, Purdue, and (shockingly) OSU, before I say this team wont have blowouts just like a Groce led squad. We've only really played Michigan so far this year in terms of true quality opponents. Mizzou and NMSU could both be tourney teams but I find it hard to find any other team we've played so far making the dance this year (perhaps Minny, but now thats a long shot).

Still, I agree this team appears to have more fight than the past couple years.
If we stay within 10 of Purdue, I will declare BU a coaching genius (dare I say "stable coaching genius"?)

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#193      
If we stay within 10 of Purdue, I will declare BU a coaching genius (dare I say "stable coaching genius"?)

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I actually think the % of us staying within 10 with Purdue, is much higher than the % of us staying within 10 of Ohio State right now. :chief:
 
#194      
If we stay within 10 of Purdue, I will declare BU a coaching genius (dare I say "stable coaching genius"?)

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Didn't Purdue beat Nebraska by 12 and Nebby beat Wisconsin by 4. No reason we shouldn't be within 10 of Purdue, and with a cutdown on turnovers maybe an upset.
 
#195      
Curious if anyone else bothered by the amount of dribbling out front done by Frasier. Ballis not moving by quick passes we saw earlier. Didn't think that was the system but BU seems fine with it.

+1. There was WAY too much standing and dribbling and then Frazier having to play hero ball as the shot clock wound down.
 
#196      
Didn't Purdue beat Nebraska by 12 and Nebby beat Wisconsin by 4. No reason we shouldn't be within 10 of Purdue, and with a cutdown on turnovers maybe an upset.
Not sure I understand the game correlation/ logic... but if we win against Purdue, BU will earn "supreme genius" rating:)
 
#197      
Nebby scored 24 pts off of 16 IL turnovers. To me that's the entire story of the game. Cut down on your dumb mistakes and you start winning some games.
 
#199      
Why in the heck was nobody guarding Palmer that last play! You would think someone would be in his shirt the whole way up the court. Nobody was near him! This guy was having a good game and illini didn't have anybody close to him going up the court. That is unbelievable! There should have been somebody trying to deny him the ball.
Then Black is nowhere near him to pop out and Alstork made no effort to come over and try to harass him.
The most agregious error is letting him go down court with nobody on him. What is Underwood doing?

Black was on him and got caught on a screen. Frazier switched, like he's coached to do, but Palmer was able to get the shot off. That play was not a coaching issue.
 
#200      
Black was on him and got caught on a screen. Frazier switched, like he's coached to do, but Palmer was able to get the shot off. That play was not a coaching issue.

It was obviously a lack of :chief: issue, the players played it right, the coach called it right, one player just played it better is all.

Never thought I would see the day as a Cub fan, that I would enjoy their World Series win before an ILLINI NCAA championship, but it happened!
 
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