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dgcrow
- Kelso, WA
There's pro's and con's to all possible candidates. The ideal happening, IMO, would be that over the rest of the season Mike Shildt turns out to be one of the Cardinals' best managers ever and that he is thereby is retained.
I've never been so happy to be wrong about an in season firing!
Girardi is cut from the same cloth as Matheny. He's not nearly as dumb and can manage a bullpen, but that's like the bare minimum qualifications. The company line on why the Yankees fired him was he couldn't get through to the young players, one of Matheny's primary faults. Their old school, grit and grind, veteran leader bs kind of managerial style has been passed by in modern baseball.
Really, what they need is someone who can connect with the younger players (as the good MLB teams have proved, your best players will be the ones still under their 6 years of initial team control), but more importantly, someone who understands analytics and how to win in today's game. Basically Gabe Kapler.
Matheny's favorite things were bunting early in the game, rigid bullpen roles, Pitcher Wins, refusing to shift and panicky hot hand playing time moves. None of those things have a place in todays game, and should be left in the 80s.
Schildt was hired on as bench coach to help explain the analytics to Matheny (which he threw in the trash, more often than not), so that bodes well for him. He also won a lot as a manager in the Cardinals farm system. Stubby Clapp (AAA manager) has won a lot in the minors and knows how to progressively manage a bullpen. I'm like 95% sure it's going to be 1 of those 2 guys, Girardi might get an interview but he (hopefully) won't be the manager.
Girardi is cut from the same cloth as Matheny. He's not nearly as dumb and can manage a bullpen, but that's like the bare minimum qualifications. The company line on why the Yankees fired him was he couldn't get through to the young players, one of Matheny's primary faults. Their old school, grit and grind, veteran leader bs kind of managerial style has been passed by in modern baseball.
Really, what they need is someone who can connect with the younger players (as the good MLB teams have proved, your best players will be the ones still under their 6 years of initial team control), but more importantly, someone who understands analytics and how to win in today's game. Basically Gabe Kapler.
Matheny's favorite things were bunting early in the game, rigid bullpen roles, Pitcher Wins, refusing to shift and panicky hot hand playing time moves. None of those things have a place in todays game, and should be left in the 80s.
Schildt was hired on as bench coach to help explain the analytics to Matheny (which he threw in the trash, more often than not), so that bodes well for him. He also won a lot as a manager in the Cardinals farm system. Stubby Clapp (AAA manager) has won a lot in the minors and knows how to progressively manage a bullpen. I'm like 95% sure it's going to be 1 of those 2 guys, Girardi might get an interview but he (hopefully) won't be the manager.
Joe G was nearly in the WS with young team. The team he eventually leads will be very lucky.
I’m looking for balance between the metrics and eyeball test. The geeks need help finding the intangibles.
I am a buyer on Schildt. I didn’t mean for my previous post to take away from the opportunity he has right now. I hope the roster responds for him.
... and Matheny made 3 straight NLCS and a WS with his first 3 teams, doesn't mean he was a good manager.
There's a record out there for Girardi's style not mixing well with younger players. And in todays MLB, if your cost controlled young players aren't playing well, its high odds your team isn't very good. We just went through 6 years of Kolton Wong getting jerked around because he wasn't a veteran, numerous young bullpen options being sat to rot as the last man in the pen, Pena playing over the top prospect Kelly when Yadi was injured, etc. I do not want to go through that completely avoidable situation again.
And I'm not saying hire some pencil pushing front office dork to be manager, I'm saying hire someone who has a track record of coaching success (Mathey did not), who understands analytics (Matheny obviously did not), but can also relate that message to the younger players efficiently. IE Mike Schildt (successful minor league manager, reportedly analytically sound), Stubby Clapp (former player, breifly successful minor league manager,
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player-manger role for Molina? I have No idea how i feel about that. I mean I love Molina, but this isn't 1903. When was the last time a team had a player-manager? (edit: it was Pete Rose)
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-cardinals-very-open-player-manager-role-2020
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-cardinals-very-open-player-manager-role-2020
I think the last successful player-manager was former Illini, Lou Boudrea, with the Cleveland Indians back in the 1940's.
If your bar for "successful" player-manager is winning both the League MVP and the World Series (as did Boudreau in 1948), that's a pretty high bar to set.
From 84-86, Pete Rose had a winning record as a player-manager and wasn't completely useless as a player. I don't know how much more you could actually expect than that in modern baseball.
By the way, both the Cubs and Cardinals persisted with player-managers long after other teams moved on to non-player managers. One of the reasons some give for both teams struggling in the 1950s.
It's especially true of the Cubs. The so-called curse of the Billy Goat was probably better called the curse of Joe McCarthy. The Cubs broke with long tradition of having a player-manager in the 20's and hired McCarthy who'd been a manager at Louisville's AA team. He took them to the World Series in 1929 and lost to a completely stacked Philedelphia A's team. (Lefty Grove, Mickey Cochrane, Al Simmons, Jimmie Foxx, all in their primes.) He then got fired mid-way through the 1930 season, at least partially due to Rogers Hornsby's griping about McCarthy's managerial decisions in the Series.
Hornsby was given the job from there and the Cubs had player-managers for the vast majority of the next 35 years. Made it to the Series 4 more times in the next 15 years, losing all four, and then fell off the baseball map in the 50s. One wonders if some of those 30s Cubs teams with Hornsby, Hartnett, Hack Wilson, Kiki Kuyler, Billy Herman and Chuck Klein might have won it all if they'd had an actual manager on the team.
Joe McCarthy, of course, got snapped up by the Yankees and won 7 World Series as their manager. Including over the Cubs in 1932 and 1938.
Pitching match-ups for the remainder of this weekend's series:
Friday: Flaherty (3-4, 3.24) vs. Lester (12-2, 2.58)
Saturday: Weaver (5-8, 4.72) vs. Montgomery (3-3, 3.91); Gant (3-3, 3.49) vs. Chatwood (3-5, 5.04)
Sunday: Mikolas (10-3, 2.79) vs. Quintana (8-6, 3.96)
Friday: Flaherty (3-4, 3.24) vs. Lester (12-2, 2.58)
Saturday: Weaver (5-8, 4.72) vs. Montgomery (3-3, 3.91); Gant (3-3, 3.49) vs. Chatwood (3-5, 5.04)
Sunday: Mikolas (10-3, 2.79) vs. Quintana (8-6, 3.96)
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Would we have any interest in this guy (Santiago Casilla)?
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ics-release-veteran-reliever-santiago-casilla
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ics-release-veteran-reliever-santiago-casilla
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I wasnt able to watch the game. Did it pass the eye-test?
BillyBob1
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No. 2 outs and Gyorko has routine groundball hit to him, drops it. Heyward gets a hit, Martinez has to make about 15 more pitches to get out of the inning. Pham picked off at first. Just a few.
orangeroses07
- Centralia, IL
How can this team be so bad at the basics?
They looked alright today.
Want to win a beer at a bar? Put this piece of history into your trivia back pocket! But actually, the rest of the story is that he player/managed the Indians to their last World Series win in 1948. Nobody knows this.
Ooops, looks like you short-changed the u on his last name: Boudreau.
Also this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Boudreau
Cardinals with lots of moves today. DFA Holland and Lyons. Tuivalaila traded to Seattle for a minor leaguer. Cecil to the DL.
Call up Weaver, Poncedelon, Dakota Hudson and Tyler Webb.
Call up Weaver, Poncedelon, Dakota Hudson and Tyler Webb.
Here's MLBtraderumors.com on Seth Elledge, the minor leaguer they got from Seattle:
Probable pitchers for the remainder of this weekend's series:
Saturday: Quintana (9-6, 3.87) vs. Mikolas (10-3, 2.82)
Sunday: Hendricks (6-9, 4.05) vs. Gant (3-3, 3.44)
Saturday: Quintana (9-6, 3.87) vs. Mikolas (10-3, 2.82)
Sunday: Hendricks (6-9, 4.05) vs. Gant (3-3, 3.44)
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Seems like the right call. When I got the text that Holland was released, It was a huge sigh of relief. I didn't realize that Tyler was also DFAed. The young guns are our future but I didnt have as much of a problem as Holland. I guess we'll see how this al shakes out. Do you think anyone is picking up Holland?
Cardinals trade Luke Voit and international signing bonus pool money to the Yankees for relievers Chasen Shreeve and Giovanny Gallegos.
Yankees fans were happy about this trade.
Cardinals sending Tommy Pham to the Rays for 3 minor leaguers.
Cardinals also made a rare straight prospect for prospect trade with the Indians sending Oscar Mercado to Cleveland.
Cardinals also made a rare straight prospect for prospect trade with the Indians sending Oscar Mercado to Cleveland.
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