Polls & Bracketology - Illinois #12 in AP Poll
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When it comes to conference champion, there is no tie-breaker and they would be co-champs, regardless of the head-to-head results. It would be a factor in seeding for the BTT only.
I have been running the same things. To me we need Purdue to loose 2 more games. Then if we were to play them in the BTT game (it would actually have meaning) - winner would get the Midwest Regional as a 2 seed with either Kentucky or Auburn as the 1 seed in the region.
This is the only way I see Illinois getting to play (potentially) in Chicago. We need some separation from Purdue prior to the BTT. Right now I think (and justifiable since they beat us twice) the committee will seed Purdue above us unless we can win the league outright and go further in the BTT.
That double overtime loss really hurt. We can overcome the UC loss, and I think the committee will give us a pass for Marquette since no Kofi. Jumping Purdue is the key now to getting the Midwest. We need to win out pretty much?
Is there a situation where Purdue doesn’t get Chicago because they put say Baylor in Chicago if they finish ahead of Purdue? Or Kansas?
I’m curious how they had Kansas ahead of Kentucky. They played at Kansas and Kentucky boat raced them. Plus Kentucky has a better resume as of now.
I would think if Baylor is a 2 seed they would go to San Antonio way before Chicago?
It’s getting Purdue out of the Midwest for us or us falling to like a 6 seed as the only way we can get the Midwest as I see it? My best friend from college (Illinois) and I have been going to the first weekend of March madness (minus the canceled year) for 36 straight years. Purdue would deserve Indy - Chicago if they are seen as even equal to us. It’s that double OT loss that is really hurting us.
Thinking about it there maybe one way that we could get Chicago as a 3 with Purdue as a 2 seed.
If Kentucky is the clear cut number 2 seed and Auburn is seeded #1 in the Midwest. And importantly Purdue is say the weakest 2 seed. In that case you could have us as a 3 lined up to play UK in Chicago, and Purdue would be sent some place else.
In any case we need Purdue to loose some, and UK not to win enough to be a 1 seed.
If Kentucky is the clear cut number 2 seed and Auburn is seeded #1 in the Midwest. And importantly Purdue is say the weakest 2 seed. In that case you could have us as a 3 lined up to play UK in Chicago, and Purdue would be sent some place else.
In any case we need Purdue to loose some, and UK not to win enough to be a 1 seed.
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If Purdue becomes a 1, they’ll ship them out to a different region. That’s not my hope but it’s a path to Illinois in Mil/Chi
Only way that would work is if Gonzaga gets the west, Arizona gets Texas, Auburn gets Chicago and Purdue gets Philly? Possible, but just as possible Auburn goes to Philly and Purdue gets Chicago.
We can pass Purdue they have a really tough ending, but we can’t loose anymore including at scUM
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I was seeing it as Gonzaga/west, Auburn/Texas, Az/Chicago and Purdue/Philly (as they would be the last #1 in this scenario). Still an unlikely situation.
You and I are seeing the same things. There are some paths for us to Chicago but they really all run through what Purdue does or does not do. I do think Kentucky is in play. They get Chicago potentially as a stronger 2 than Purdue. Problem here would be if they move Purdue to the 3 line (strongest 3) and we are also on the 3 line weaker than Purdue.
We really need Rutgers and MSU to beat Purdue, but Wisconsin to loose to Purdue. Problem with Wisconsin beating Purdue is do they move ahead of us? They would then get Milwaukee to Chicago. Another thing that would help us is if Wisconsin were to loose today to scUM.
Where do you think Baylor is located?
Yep that is why his base case can only work with Kentucky. Baylor will be in Texas pretty much no matter what. UK is possible though as they would for sure get the Indy - Chicago path as the strongest 2 seed. If Purdue is also a 2 they could not get that also.
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Sorry - to clarify, I misspoke and meant Kansas gets the Midwest 2, Baylor gets the South.
looking more into that, none of the 2s are a clear cut west unless Arizona drops down to a 2, which is possible.
So Purdue could jump to a 1 or drop below Kansas/Baylor (second scenario below)
West - Gonzaga, Arizona
South - Baylor, Purdue
Midwest - Auburn, Kansas
East - Kentucky, Providence/Duke
Kansas WOULD be the south, but Baylor is there and both are big 12.
Baylor could pass up Kansas without Kansas dropping off a 2 and Arizona did just take a loss, so this seems plausible.
So yes, I misspoke. I meant Kansas getting Midwest 2. Kansas getting a 1 probably works against us by making sure Baylor would get south with Auburn
GrayGhost77
- Centennial, CO
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If UK beats out Kansas for the 1 seed, that could work with the same logic right? Kansas could take Midwest 2 seed if clearly stronger, Baylor the south, providence the East and ship Purdue out west?
Sorry I did not spell check Mrs. Engle (my grade school English teacher) lol - just playing my spelling is not the greatest.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Selfishly, I would love this. I have a bachelor's party in San Diego the weekend of the Big Ten Tournament, and most of my buddies I'll be with are Iowa fans. Having our game be (potentially) vs. Iowa would mean that (1) the group will be more amenable to making plans around the games and (2) we have another chance to beat Iowa!
I wonder where Houston is on the list.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Here's our resume, as it stands today:
Record: 19-7
"Official" Proj. Seed: 3-seed (before MSU win)
NET Ranking: #14
Q1 Record: 7-4 (at #19 IOWA, vs. #29 MICH, vs. #28 MSU, vs. #21 WISC, at at #72 NU, #44 IND, at #28 MSU)
Q2 Record: 4-3 (vs. #60 KSU in KC, vs. #57 ND, vs. #72 NU, at #100 MINN)
Q3 Record: 4-0
Q4 Record: 4-0
Road Record: 6-4
Neutral Record: 2-1
Remaining Games:
vs. #18 Ohio State (Q1)
at #29 Michigan (Q1)
vs. #83 Penn State (Q3) ... CANNOT lose this one!
vs. #19 Iowa (Q1)
Three amazing and winnable Quad 1 opportunities left. We could absolutely play ourselves into both a conference championship AND a 2-seed for the NCAAs by winning out and having a Purdue loss, IMO. 24-7 with 10 Quad 1 wins before the BTT is absolutely worthy of conversation for a 2!
Other Notes:
- Rutgers is at #76 right now ... if they move into the top 75, our home win vs. them becomes Quad 2.
- Northwestern is clinging to top 75 status by a thread, and we need them to stay there. Right now, our win in Evanston is Quad 1.
- Kansas State has snuck up to #60. If they can get into the top 50, our win in Kansas City vs. them becomes Quad 1.
- Penn State (#83) has an outside chance of sneaking into the top 75 with another upset (NOT VS. US!) and some help. If they do, a home win vs. them becomes another Quad 2.
- I think this is a good example why we want Missouri to always lose to us but never suck ... that is a free chance at a Quad 1 or Quad 2 neutral site win every year, and the Committee seems to value those. Makes sense, as they mimic Tournament environments.
Record: 19-7
"Official" Proj. Seed: 3-seed (before MSU win)
NET Ranking: #14
Q1 Record: 7-4 (at #19 IOWA, vs. #29 MICH, vs. #28 MSU, vs. #21 WISC, at at #72 NU, #44 IND, at #28 MSU)
Q2 Record: 4-3 (vs. #60 KSU in KC, vs. #57 ND, vs. #72 NU, at #100 MINN)
Q3 Record: 4-0
Q4 Record: 4-0
Road Record: 6-4
Neutral Record: 2-1
Remaining Games:
vs. #18 Ohio State (Q1)
at #29 Michigan (Q1)
vs. #83 Penn State (Q3) ... CANNOT lose this one!
vs. #19 Iowa (Q1)
Three amazing and winnable Quad 1 opportunities left. We could absolutely play ourselves into both a conference championship AND a 2-seed for the NCAAs by winning out and having a Purdue loss, IMO. 24-7 with 10 Quad 1 wins before the BTT is absolutely worthy of conversation for a 2!
Other Notes:
- Rutgers is at #76 right now ... if they move into the top 75, our home win vs. them becomes Quad 2.
- Northwestern is clinging to top 75 status by a thread, and we need them to stay there. Right now, our win in Evanston is Quad 1.
- Kansas State has snuck up to #60. If they can get into the top 50, our win in Kansas City vs. them becomes Quad 1.
- Penn State (#83) has an outside chance of sneaking into the top 75 with another upset (NOT VS. US!) and some help. If they do, a home win vs. them becomes another Quad 2.
- I think this is a good example why we want Missouri to always lose to us but never suck ... that is a free chance at a Quad 1 or Quad 2 neutral site win every year, and the Committee seems to value those. Makes sense, as they mimic Tournament environments.
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