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Mailbox: Why are Illinois, Michigan OK with the behavior of their basketball coaches?
Mailbox: Readers wonder why college basketball coaches Brad Underwood and Juwan Howard get away with bad behavior.
www.dispatch.com
This is not on topic for gameday but I do not have permission to start a new thread?
I found this article both appalling (Underwood getting ejected for the first time in his career vs. Howard swinging at another coach are not equal to each other) but also interesting and sad as there have been suggestions/mentions that other teams and fanbases hate Illinois. I am an Underwood fan, for sure, and see his behavior as emotional and from a place of genuine love for his players, his team, the game, the university. There have always been instances of emotional outburst where assistants and players have to get between their leader and refs (for example) and Underwood certainly is not the first nor the only coach to get T'd up.
Just curious what others think. Is this really the perspective from the outside looking in?
Underwood said if you’re in your seat a half hour before tipoff, you’ll be fine.
Yesterday, BU was asked if Trents number should be hanging from the rafters. Paraphrasing, BU said no one is more deserving.
IMO, this can't be even questionable. In my lifetime as an Illini fan (since the early 80's) I can't remember someone who literally saw the lowest of lows in this programs history and played a more instrumental role in bringing it back to national prominence. When the going gets tough, many transferred, others became Illini legends!
Thank you seniors for bringing this program back, thank you Trent for everything!
IMO, this can't be even questionable. In my lifetime as an Illini fan (since the early 80's) I can't remember someone who literally saw the lowest of lows in this programs history and played a more instrumental role in bringing it back to national prominence. When the going gets tough, many transferred, others became Illini legends!
Thank you seniors for bringing this program back, thank you Trent for everything!
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What a bunch of losersMailbox: Why are Illinois, Michigan OK with the behavior of their basketball coaches?
Mailbox: Readers wonder why college basketball coaches Brad Underwood and Juwan Howard get away with bad behavior.www.dispatch.com
This is not on topic for gameday but I do not have permission to start a new thread?
I found this article both appalling (Underwood getting ejected for the first time in his career vs. Howard swinging at another coach are not equal to each other) but also interesting and sad as there have been suggestions/mentions that other teams and fanbases hate Illinois. I am an Underwood fan, for sure, and see his behavior as emotional and from a place of genuine love for his players, his team, the game, the university. There have always been instances of emotional outburst where assistants and players have to get between their leader and refs (for example) and Underwood certainly is not the first nor the only coach to get T'd up.
Just curious what others think. Is this really the perspective from the outside looking in?
Dakich has always been an Illinois hater and a boob.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
That's a trash "letter to the editor" that is woefully out of context. tO$U fans are butthurt that EJ got heckled. Really ironic given that this is a school that employed such paragons of virtue as Woody Hayes, Urban Meyer, and Jim Tressel.Mailbox: Why are Illinois, Michigan OK with the behavior of their basketball coaches?
Mailbox: Readers wonder why college basketball coaches Brad Underwood and Juwan Howard get away with bad behavior.www.dispatch.com
This is not on topic for gameday but I do not have permission to start a new thread?
I found this article both appalling (Underwood getting ejected for the first time in his career vs. Howard swinging at another coach are not equal to each other) but also interesting and sad as there have been suggestions/mentions that other teams and fanbases hate Illinois. I am an Underwood fan, for sure, and see his behavior as emotional and from a place of genuine love for his players, his team, the game, the university. There have always been instances of emotional outburst where assistants and players have to get between their leader and refs (for example) and Underwood certainly is not the first nor the only coach to get T'd up.
Just curious what others think. Is this really the perspective from the outside looking in?
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
The first part really isn't true. No argument with the second.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
Thanks for noting that. As a Columbus native who had a front row seat as a kid to Woody Hayes' regular outbursts ranging from kicking yard markers to berating officials all the way to indulging in a meltdown in a bowl game on national TV and punching an opposing linebacker who intercepted a pass to end OSU's chances of winning the game, it's pretty rich when readers of The Dispatch get on their high horse on this topic. Set aside, of course, their complete ignorance of BU's history (never having been ejected from a game until a week ago.)Mailbox: Why are Illinois, Michigan OK with the behavior of their basketball coaches?
Mailbox: Readers wonder why college basketball coaches Brad Underwood and Juwan Howard get away with bad behavior.www.dispatch.com
This is not on topic for gameday but I do not have permission to start a new thread?
I found this article both appalling (Underwood getting ejected for the first time in his career vs. Howard swinging at another coach are not equal to each other) but also interesting and sad as there have been suggestions/mentions that other teams and fanbases hate Illinois. I am an Underwood fan, for sure, and see his behavior as emotional and from a place of genuine love for his players, his team, the game, the university. There have always been instances of emotional outburst where assistants and players have to get between their leader and refs (for example) and Underwood certainly is not the first nor the only coach to get T'd up.
Just curious what others think. Is this really the perspective from the outside looking in?
This pi%%es me off. I'm going to write a strongly worded letter
to Mr. White at The Disptach and see what he does. Seriously. We'll see if he prints it.
That twitter video made me tear up. Anyone know if they will be showing the senior day festivities anywhere? Love our seniors.
InDaAZ
- Eugene, Oregon
Dakich has some things to say about the Henson days that most of us would not like, but he loves Underwood and often has him as a guest on his radio show. That said, he is a boob for any number of reasons not relevant to this forum...
I hope we have a big enough lead at the end for Brad to call a late timeout to get the seniors out.
But then, instead of taking them out, he designs a play where Trent throws a bounce bass out of bounds, and Damonte leaps to save it by spiking it off of a McCaffery. Then he subs them out to raucous applause on the ensuing dead ball.
I L L!
But then, instead of taking them out, he designs a play where Trent throws a bounce bass out of bounds, and Damonte leaps to save it by spiking it off of a McCaffery. Then he subs them out to raucous applause on the ensuing dead ball.
I L L!
Love this summary and, since I will be planted squarely in front of my TV with my ipad keeping tabs on 6 BT games, I hope you are able to update this throughout the day!
Retro62
- North Bethesda, Maryland
First of all, it’s offensive to put those two men in the same category, and second, has he never watched a Iowa game, or a game coached by hall of famer Tom Izzo? The guys a hack.Mailbox: Why are Illinois, Michigan OK with the behavior of their basketball coaches?
Mailbox: Readers wonder why college basketball coaches Brad Underwood and Juwan Howard get away with bad behavior.www.dispatch.com
This is not on topic for gameday but I do not have permission to start a new thread?
I found this article both appalling (Underwood getting ejected for the first time in his career vs. Howard swinging at another coach are not equal to each other) but also interesting and sad as there have been suggestions/mentions that other teams and fanbases hate Illinois. I am an Underwood fan, for sure, and see his behavior as emotional and from a place of genuine love for his players, his team, the game, the university. There have always been instances of emotional outburst where assistants and players have to get between their leader and refs (for example) and Underwood certainly is not the first nor the only coach to get T'd up.
Just curious what others think. Is this really the perspective from the outside looking in?
Great respect for the Murray brothers. They are outstanding athletes who compete hard, rarely complain about calls, and don't engage in dirty play. Bohanan, though talented, is a whiny baby who takes dirty shots at opponents often. Can't stand him, and especially despise the head whiner and screamer in charge, Fran the Man. Let's beat Iowa like a rented government mule, in prep for the grueling post season.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
In honor of logjam's birthday , NL # 3 and I will have the following pre-game meal..........
Surf & Turf....................6 oz. Ribeye's & Breaded Jumbo Shrimp
Pickled Okra
Onion Rings
Red Velvet Cake w/ ____? Candles
Arbor Mist Peach Moscato Wine
Post meal birthday spanking
420
Gummy Bear
Happy Birthday logjam............................
Thanks. In theory I could set it up to live update based on the live scores at any given point, however that gets much trickier if I need to share through google docs. That said, I'll likely do a quick update after each game. Long and the short of it, this is summary for each team:
Wisconsin:
Clinches 1 seed with a win vNebraska
Clinches 2 seed with a loss and Illinois win
Illinois:
Clinches 1 seed with a win vIowa and a Wisconsin loss
Clinches 2 seed with a win vIowa and a Wisconsin win
Clinches 3 seed with a loss
Purdue:
Clinches 2 seed with an Illinois loss
Clinches 3 seed with an Illinois win
Iowa:
Clinches 4 seed with a win aIllinois, or a loss AND an OSU loss AND a Rutgers loss
Clinches 5 seed with a loss aIllinois AND an OSU win AND a Rutgers loss, or a loss aIllinois AND an OSU loss AND a Rutgers win
Clinches 6 seed with a loss aIllinois AND an OSU win AND a Rutgers win
OSU:
Clinches 4 seed with a win vMichigan and an Iowa loss
Clinches 5 seed with a win vMichigan and an Iowa win, or a loss vMichigan and a Rutgers loss
Clinches 6 seed with a loss vMichigan and a Rutgers win
Rutgers:
Clinches 4 seed with a win vPSU AND an Iowa loss AND an OSU loss
Clinches 5 seed with a win vPSU AND an Iowa loss AND an OSU win, or with a win vPSU AND an Iowa win AND an OSU loss
Clinches 6 seed with a loss vPSU, or a win vPSU AND an Iowa win AND an OSU win
MSU:
Clinches 7 seed with a win vMaryland, or a loss vMaryland and a Michigan loss
Clinches 8 seed with a loss vMaryland and a Michigan win
Michgan:
Clinches 7 seed with a win aOSU and an MSU loss
Clinches 8 seed with a loss aOSU, or an MSU win
Indiana:
Clinched 9 seed
Maryland:
Clinches 10 seed with a win aMSU, or a PSU loss
Clinches 11 seed with a loss aMSU and a PSU win
PSU:
Clinches 10 seed with a win aRutgers and a Maryland loss
Clinches 11 seed with a loss aRutgers, or a Maryland win
Northwestern:
Clinched 12 seed
Minnesota:
Clinches 13 seed with a win aNorthwestern, or a Nebraska loss
Clinches 14 seed with a loss aNorthwestern and a Nebraska win
Nebraska:
Clinches 13 seed with a win aWisconsin and a Minnesota loss
Clinches 14 seed with a loss aWisconsin, or a Minnesota win
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Interesting meal Pru….
Inquiring minds such as mine have noticed that you seem to have settled in recently with NL with #3…
with no sightings or mention of NL #1, or #2 as of late.
Is the legendary Pru now officially off the market and unavailable to potential NL #4 and beyond?
Inquiring minds such as mine have noticed that you seem to have settled in recently with NL with #3…
with no sightings or mention of NL #1, or #2 as of late.
Is the legendary Pru now officially off the market and unavailable to potential NL #4 and beyond?
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Loose lips sink ships.........................................
All in good time young skywalker...................................
Illini 84
idiots 79
Keep us posted.Thanks for noting that. As a Columbus native who had a front row seat as a kid to Woody Hayes' regular outbursts ranging from kicking yard markers to berating officials all the way to indulging in a meltdown in a bowl game on national TV and punching an opposing linebacker who intercepted a pass to end OSU's chances of winning the game, it's pretty rich when readers of The Dispatch get on their high horse on this topic. Set aside, of course, their complete ignorance of BU's history (never having been ejected from a game until a week ago.)
This pi%%es me off. I'm going to write a strongly worded letter
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
I'll let it sit for a bit and then press "SEND." These hypocrites pi$$ me off.Mailbox: Why are Illinois, Michigan OK with the behavior of their basketball coaches?
Mailbox: Readers wonder why college basketball coaches Brad Underwood and Juwan Howard get away with bad behavior.www.dispatch.com
This is not on topic for gameday but I do not have permission to start a new thread?
I found this article both appalling (Underwood getting ejected for the first time in his career vs. Howard swinging at another coach are not equal to each other) but also interesting and sad as there have been suggestions/mentions that other teams and fanbases hate Illinois. I am an Underwood fan, for sure, and see his behavior as emotional and from a place of genuine love for his players, his team, the game, the university. There have always been instances of emotional outburst where assistants and players have to get between their leader and refs (for example) and Underwood certainly is not the first nor the only coach to get T'd up.
Just curious what others think. Is this really the perspective from the outside looking in?
Dear Brian,
I noted the self-righteous complaints in the Dispatch Mailbox feature of March 6 concerning Illinois basketball coach Brad Underwood's ejection from the Illini's game v. the Buckeyes on February 24. You replied that such a "display" is "not unusual for him."
Really? Mr. Underwood has been an extremely successful Division I head coach for nine seasons and was an assistant for many years before that. He’d never been ejected from a game until 10 days ago. During his five seasons at Illinois, I struggle to recall when he has drawn a technical foul. Illini fans are generally sympathetic to Underwood's unusually vigorous, principled objection to the ridiculously one-sided officiating of Illinois center Kofi Cockburn during that game.
I had the pleasure of growing up around Ohio State in the '70s and early '80s, and attended the University of Illinois from 1984-90. I recall well the genteel manners of Fred Taylor, Eldon Miller, and Illini coach Lou Henson as vividly as I do the routine, unseemly behavior of Woody Hayes, and Coach Taylor's former player Bob Knight. I also recall Gary Williams' animated outbursts toward officials when he helmed the OSU basketball team in the late '80s, and Thad Matta's years later.
Then there’s the disgraceful acquiescence of OSU and its fans toward Urban Meyer, who was found to have continued employing an assistant after he learned of that coach's documented recent history of domestic violence. And the ethically-challenged Jim Tressel. Strangely, I rarely heard local indictments of any of these OSU coaches over many years for anything other than losing.
Coach Underwood runs an exemplary program from all available evidence. While he may not display the comparatively drawing room-like demeanor of Chris Holtmann at all times, I can't find a single fault with his stewardship of the Illinois basketball program or the development of the young men in his charge. He is indeed a passionate advocate for his players and the program, which we admire. I challenge you and your readers to substantiate your claims that he behaves badly.
Finally, reader Jimmy Ryan's conflation of Underwood's ejection with the physical assault that Juwan Howard perpetrated on a fellow coach several days earlier is ludicrous, and a dire failure to understand what "analogy" means.
The Buckeyes occupy an extremely fragile ethical glass house. Their fans' projection toward Illinois is amusing.
Kind regards,
Altgeld88
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
Hit "send".
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
Ohio State is my Iowa.
I’ll take that first part and then an !!! whooping for the good guys.
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