Pregame: Illinois vs Penn State, Saturday, December 10th, 11:00am CT, BTN

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hoopsfan47
dbeverly26 said:
I always worry a bit about playing teams that can shoot the three because a hot shooting night is the great equalizer, but I think PSU will struggle a bit with our length and we should be able to get what we want in the paint. It'll be interesting to see who we put on Pickett since his drive and kick game with three or four shooters around him is the core of their offense. I'd like to see us put a bigger guy on him to make his life a bit more difficult, maybe Shannon? Fortunately, we've got three or four guys who are really, really good at staying in front of their man so we should be able to keep Pickett under wraps and hopefully that allows other guys to stay at home a bit on the shooters.

I also hope that Harris gets a few minutes guarding him just because I think it'll be fun as hell to watch. Not relevant to the PSU game, but I think the funniest thing about this year's team is when Sincire gets switched onto a big in the post and just absolutely bodies his guy. He'll get called for it eventually, but last night he went into either Allen or Mitchell at about a full sprint and completely took him out of the play for a few seconds. Kid's like a chihuahua that's got no idea that the mastiff he's barking at is ten times his size, it's awesome.
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Good post.. Yes, this team is as fun to watch as any I have seen since the mid-50s...Flyin Illini being the exception. What adds so much is the awareness of a freshman bench player who can defend anyone on the perimeter and mostly keep them bottled up. Harris gets the attention of every fan when he is on an outstanding perimeter player who has great handles and can either bury a three at a high rate of get to the rim and finsish. Sencire takes both away most of the time and makes those kind of players work both ends....and they hate it!!!! We don't know what he can contribute for 38 minutes yet, but he does not have to do that...just 15-20 is a huge contribution and sorely needed....and it makes him a hero without having to make free throws in the last minute.
 
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hoopsfan47
hodgesonfire said:
One thing I've noticed is Sky not being super effective in the half court when he dribbles past his defender. He really needs a floater or push shot or some way to score going to the basket other than trying to go over bigs. He's a great athlete but isn't a Derick Rose (young) or Jae Morant type jumper. If can consistently provide this aspect to his game"The Sky's the limit"
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Agree...don't know why more young players don't work on the John Stockton 'tear drop'/
 
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Ga65
hoopsfan47 said:
Good post.. Yes, this team is as fun to watch as any I have seen since the mid-50s...Flyin Illini being the exception. What adds so much is the awareness of a freshman bench player who can defend anyone on the perimeter and mostly keep them bottled up. Harris gets the attention of every fan when he is on an outstanding perimeter player who has great handles and can either bury a three at a high rate of get to the rim and finsish. Sencire takes both away most of the time and makes those kind of players work both ends....and they hate it!!!! We don't know what he can contribute for 38 minutes yet, but he does not have to do that...just 15-20 is a huge contribution and sorely needed....and it makes him a hero without having to make free throws in the last minute.
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His shot blocking is also impressive. Pretty good springs.
 
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3nDGuy
redwingillini11 said:
Not only that one, but 2006 too. *shudders*
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BWA
ChiefIllinois said:
What we really need is an impartial judge of the reffing each game. I’d love to be validated when I feel like they’re skewing the game against us (but they’d obviously be wrong if they thought it was the other way around).
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Baseball has that now where it grades the umps each game. It's all computer automated though.

Would be awesome to have some sort of tracking of the number of missed calls and an estimated point value to those based on the type of missed call. Then you could estimate how much the refs skewed a game one direction or the other and how well they called the game. Unfortunately, it seems almost impossible to do that in basketball.
 
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FloridaMan
BWA said:
Baseball has that now where it grades the umps each game. It's all computer automated though.

Would be awesome to have some sort of tracking of the number of missed calls and an estimated point value to those based on the type of missed call. Then you could estimate how much the refs skewed a game one direction or the other and how well they called the game. Unfortunately, it seems almost impossible to do that in basketball.
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I remember discussions in the past, sorry I do not remember exactly when, that the coaches "grade" or provide feedback of some sort on the officials each year (possibly each game). Watching the games last night I noticed all coaches going pretty hard at the same officials we see them go at season after season. I gotta believe these certain officials are not highly rated based on this observation year after year. So my question is, what is the B10 doing about the presumed poorly rated officials? They certainly are not being penalized by not doing games. In addition, what is the B10 doing to make sure the officiating is held to a standard of performance and/or improvement? What is the B10 doing to recruit up and coming officials? Why has the league not adopted a policy of hiring full time officials who train and perfect their craft in the off season while games are not occurring? These question exist, in my mind, because it is something the league never communicates about unless their is intense scrutiny - usually involving Mich, OSU. I think I know the answers to most of these questions, but again, without any sort of communication we are left to guess whether those answers are fair or not.
 
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Bacon Butkus Swanson
skyIdub said:
The knee jerk overreactions to players having an off night here is hilarious. Skyy has serious talent. He's a freshman. These guys have only been playing games together for ~4ish months.

Give it a minute.
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I don't think anyone is questioning Skyy has the talent to get the job done. His decision making (see trying to hot dog his way out of a double team and the dunk result vs Texas) makes me want to play Epps more. Epps and Harris just seem more advanced and mature than Clark and Rodgers (Almost no one guessed that pre season)

I don't envy our coaching staff trying to spread these minutes around and keeping everyone happy..... Will only get worse (better) after LG gets back :)
 
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pruman91
FloridaMan said:
I remember discussions in the past, sorry I do not remember exactly when, that the coaches "grade" or provide feedback of some sort on the officials each year (possibly each game). Watching the games last night I noticed all coaches going pretty hard at the same officials we see them go at season after season. I gotta believe these certain officials are not highly rated based on this observation year after year. So my question is, what is the B10 doing about the presumed poorly rated officials? They certainly are not being penalized by not doing games. In addition, what is the B10 doing to make sure the officiating is held to a standard of performance and/or improvement? What is the B10 doing to recruit up and coming officials? Why has the league not adopted a policy of hiring full time officials who train and perfect their craft in the off season while games are not occurring? These question exist, in my mind, because it is something the league never communicates about unless their is intense scrutiny - usually involving Mich, OSU. I think I know the answers to most of these questions, but again, without any sort of communication we are left to guess whether those answers are fair or not.
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dbeverly26
hoopsfan47 said:
Good post.. Yes, this team is as fun to watch as any I have seen since the mid-50s...Flyin Illini being the exception. What adds so much is the awareness of a freshman bench player who can defend anyone on the perimeter and mostly keep them bottled up. Harris gets the attention of every fan when he is on an outstanding perimeter player who has great handles and can either bury a three at a high rate of get to the rim and finsish. Sencire takes both away most of the time and makes those kind of players work both ends....and they hate it!!!! We don't know what he can contribute for 38 minutes yet, but he does not have to do that...just 15-20 is a huge contribution and sorely needed....and it makes him a hero without having to make free throws in the last minute.
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It is fun indeed. I think that all four freshmen are still adjusting to the speed of the game, especially on offense, but what a blessing to have them basically be plug and play on defense. Folks often overlook that there’s an actual skill component to playing D — everyone focuses on effort and the mental side of it, but there are actual skills involved (e.g. footwork, etc.) that need to be learned and often elite athletes are never forced to learn them at lower levels. These guys seem to have those skills already and that’s enormously important.

For now, I like Harris in his current role. Just be a human hand grenade coming off the bench, make someone’s life extremely difficult for a couple of minutes, and leave it all out there.
 
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pruman91
dbeverly26 said:
It is fun indeed. I think that all four freshmen are still adjusting to the speed of the game, especially on offense, but what a blessing to have them basically be plug and play on defense. Folks often overlook that there’s an actual skill component to playing D — everyone focuses on effort and the mental side of it, but there are actual skills involved (e.g. footwork, etc.) that need to be learned and often elite athletes are never forced to learn them at lower levels. These guys seem to have those skills already and that’s enormously important.

For now, I like Harris in his current role. Just be a human hand grenade coming off the bench, make someone’s life extremely difficult for a couple of minutes, and leave it all out there.
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he reminds me of that Tasmanian devil character..............full bore relentless pressure and such a warrior dog..........................
 
#93      
alexander58
FloridaMan said:
I remember discussions in the past, sorry I do not remember exactly when, that the coaches "grade" or provide feedback of some sort on the officials each year (possibly each game). Watching the games last night I noticed all coaches going pretty hard at the same officials we see them go at season after season. I gotta believe these certain officials are not highly rated based on this observation year after year. So my question is, what is the B10 doing about the presumed poorly rated officials? They certainly are not being penalized by not doing games. In addition, what is the B10 doing to make sure the officiating is held to a standard of performance and/or improvement? What is the B10 doing to recruit up and coming officials? Why has the league not adopted a policy of hiring full time officials who train and perfect their craft in the off season while games are not occurring? These question exist, in my mind, because it is something the league never communicates about unless their is intense scrutiny - usually involving Mich, OSU. I think I know the answers to most of these questions, but again, without any sort of communication we are left to guess whether those answers are fair or not.
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In other college sports, officials have day jobs. As a result, the pool you’re pulling from is dictated by availability as much as quality. I assume it’s the same for basketball.
 
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21ChampaignSt
#95      
SCMART Illini
BWA said:
Baseball has that now where it grades the umps each game. It's all computer automated though.

Would be awesome to have some sort of tracking of the number of missed calls and an estimated point value to those based on the type of missed call. Then you could estimate how much the refs skewed a game one direction or the other and how well they called the game. Unfortunately, it seems almost impossible to do that in basketball.
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I don't understand why they don't have a ref in a separate location with a large tv to be able to see the replay so much quicker and clearer. With 3 officials this may be a little difficult, but in the NFL, adding one more official would be nothing. Does MLB and some leagues already do this?
 
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goillini30
SCMART Illini said:
I don't understand why they don't have a ref in a separate location with a large tv to be able to see the replay so much quicker and clearer. With 3 officials this may be a little difficult, but in the NFL, adding one more official would be nothing. Does MLB and some leagues already do this?
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I believe NHL still has a central location that handles the video reviews all over the country so that they don't need an extra person at every venue. But I'm pretty sure replay only occurs on a coach's challenge, so they don't have to be constantly monitoring every game.
 
#97      
willillini
i sure hear a lot of complaining about how this team needs to do this and needs to do that. with 4 frosh playing major minutes, 80% of our scoring gone and moved into the top ten by beating the # 4 team in the county on a neutral court. i think we are pretty, pretty, pretty good and only going to get better.
 
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BRucks
alexander58 said:
In other college sports, officials have day jobs. As a result, the pool you’re pulling from is dictated by availability as much as quality. I assume it’s the same for basketball.
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(Dr.) Ed Hightower was the Superintendent of Schools at Edwardsville for 19 years during his 36 year tenure as an NCAA official. Could never figure out how he handled that combination.
 
#99      
willillini
goillini30 said:
I believe NHL still has a central location that handles the video reviews all over the country so that they don't need an extra person at every venue. But I'm pretty sure replay only occurs on a coach's challenge, so they don't have to be constantly monitoring every game.
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THIS is my beef with college football. Asking a referee to run 50 yards sometimes to watch a replay of his call (looking for anything to prove him right) on a tiny little 13" monitor with a bright background often when the call is so obvious a ref in a booth or across the country could change or confirm it in a few seconds
is a ridiculous waste of time and technology. make the conference do it at their headquarters. i wonder if my theory that the ref reviewing his own crews mistake is proven in the stats? A lower percentage of calls over turned?
 
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willillini
BRucks said:
(Dr.) Ed Hightower was the Superintendent of Schools at Edwardsville for 19 years during his 36 year tenure as an NCAA official. Could never figure out how he handled that combination.
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Now that division 1 sports is such a big $ enterprise, these officials should be paid as such and, more importantly, evaluated and promoted/demoted
based upon their quality. Look at the terrible MLB umps that have worked for decades and laughed at by their strike zones.
 
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