Missouri 93, Illinois 71 Postgame

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#201      

JSpence

Evansville, IN
Skyy has not looked happy to me since day one. Mopey. Doesn't talk to teammates and shows very little leadership that is needed by a PG. Have noticed this all season and wondered if he would stick around to the new year. He seems very low energy, and that doesn't seem like it would mesh with BU, or any head coach at this level.
I don't want to pile on, but when someone trying to hype a point guard points me to a shirtless dunk montage, I start to hear Shania Twain. I still hope I'm wrong, but since October, I've been having thoughts of December 29th as a possible second start to the season.
 
#202      

the national

the Front Range
Scary bad. I’m not bball expert, and I’m probably gonna get flack for these suggestions, but these are the changes I’d make, now:

1. Hand the keys to the offense to TSJ. Our issues against high level competition started right around when MM came out of his “slump”. Frankly, I think MM, with his lack of passing/creating offense for anyone but himself + mediocre at best defense is more a liability than as asset. TSJ has shown he can be alpha dog on offense, let him do so and build the offense around him. The guys that’ll be most pissed about that will be gone after this year anyway (or should be gone anyway). The rest (underclassmen) will know that they’ll have the chance to get the keys next year (brad should make sure they know that)

2. Change our defensive philosophy to stop switching so aggressively. We either aren’t fast and/or smart enough to run it effectively.

Brad has done wholesale scheme changes mid-season in the past. I think one is due now.

And do whatever is needed to get team buy in. That’ll be hard intraseason, but not impossible if execution gets better.
Both points hit. Both are accurate and need to be implemented. Side note, your comments about MM, I’ve seen this point shared by others as well. His mojo is creating friction somewhere (supposedly).
 
#203      

the national

the Front Range
Just horrible timing with players going home for break as well after a loss like this … Getting around people who aren’t going to be saying “buy in” and “trust the staff” …
I thought this as well. It made me wonder if some guys don’t come back. They have talks with their camps over the break and realize this isn’t want they signed up for. I know nothing but the body language of this team was clear tonight.
 
#205      
Not really. There is a significant difference between what someone says from the sidelines and what someone says when they are in the trenches with you. Talk is naturally discounted until it is backed up with both action and credibility.
Hope you’re right, but it’s not like he’s an incoming freshman. I just hope that there’s someone in that locker room who can teach the guys who will be around next year that Underwood only has you for two hours a day but it takes a lot more work than that to compete at this level. If Goode is that guy, great. If not, they’d better learn to teach themselves.
 
#207      
Scary bad. I’m not bball expert, and I’m probably gonna get flack for these suggestions, but these are the changes I’d make, now:

1. Hand the keys to the offense to TSJ. Our issues against high level competition started right around when MM came out of his “slump”. Frankly, I think MM, with his lack of passing/creating offense for anyone but himself + mediocre at best defense is more a liability than as asset. TSJ has shown he can be alpha dog on offense, let him do so and build the offense around him. The guys that’ll be most pissed about that will be gone after this year anyway (or should be gone anyway). The rest (underclassmen) will know that they’ll have the chance to get the keys next year (brad should make sure they know that)

2. Change our defensive philosophy to stop switching so aggressively. We either aren’t fast and/or smart enough to run it effectively.

Brad has done wholesale scheme changes mid-season in the past. I think one is due now.

And do whatever is needed to get team buy in. That’ll be hard intraseason, but not impossible if execution gets better.

We have two or three players who simply are not quick enough to play the aggressive switching defense.
 
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I don't want to pile on, but when someone trying to hype a point guard points me to a shirtless dunk montage, I start to hear Shania Twain. I still hope I'm wrong, but since October, I've been having thoughts of December 29th as a possible second start to the season.
Man! I feel like a woman! Weird song selection but okay.
 
#209      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky


Dennis Gates’ left his first Braggin Rights’ Game with some hardware — thanks to Missouri’s Braggin’ Rights veteran.
Two weeks after the Tigers no-showed in their rivalry game against Kansas, they tried their best to blow the roof off Enterprise Center on Thursday, blasting No. 16 Illinois 93-71 behind Kobe Brown’s career-high 31 points.
 
#213      
Dismal performance. I hate the fact that we have to wait another year for a shot back at them. One of the worst feelings I've had after a game in the over 40 years I have been an Illinois fan. Ranks up there with the debacle at Nebraska when Bruce was on his way out.

Time to tear this team apart and rebuild it for the new year. If this means that some guys get left in the process, so be it. Underwood does not get a pass in this. He needs to look at how things have gone so terribly wrong and own it. He needs to become the architect of a functional system that the guys can buy in to and execute.
 
#214      
We beat Texas, UCLA, and were competitive against Virginia.
What has changed? Coaching? Players?
 
#216      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
We beat Texas, UCLA, and were competitive against Virginia.
What has changed? Coaching? Players?
We all said then, hey, this is a talented collection of players, this could really be something if they can gel and come together as a unit.

The opposite has happened. It's every man for himself out there, to a degree I can't recall seeing in college basketball.
 
#217      
We got some guys coming in next year that are going to bring that effort and hustle too. And these young guys will learn. It does take time. With young teams and new guys it takes time to gel. We knew it was going to be ups and downs this season. We knew we'd win games we didn't expect to win, and lose games we didn't expect to lose. It's a process. What we have to focus on is that this will work itself out and we will grow and gel throughout the season and be way better and consistent when it matters most. Make the tourney and make a run.
I hope you are correct on all accounts, I really do. But there is a chance you are not on some or all of them, and that is what is discouraging right now.
 
#218      

Dbell1981

Decatur, IL
I don't want to pile on, but when someone trying to hype a point guard points me to a shirtless dunk montage, I start to hear Shania Twain. I still hope I'm wrong, but since October, I've been having thoughts of December 29th as a possible second start to the season.
I hope so. We bought the black friday 10$ tickets. I hope they show up to play against Bethune-Cookman for crying out loud.
 
#219      
This is the same group that beat UCLA and Texas. Sure it wasn't exactly Picasso in either win but they still got the W. The talent is there. Something is seriously, seriously off. Far too much talent to get their teeth kicked in like this - twice in a 3 game span no less!

Staff and players need to come together and figure this thing out. Someone's gotta step up and LEAD.
Obviously……the Texas and UCLA games were “anomalies”
 
#220      

BBIQ

Texas
My observations from the tv:

Mayer - his teammates don't like him, neither do the coaches, probably his Mom as well
Shannon - no leadership, openly won't pass to Mayer (see above)
Coleman - just completely lost in his head
RJ - see Coleman
Skyy - bottomed out, no desire on defense
Sencire - hopefully emerging as a leader this team desperately needs
Epps - keep improving, should take more of Skyy's minutes

Underwood - the stick hasn't worked, maybe the carrot will?
Maybe they need to go to the Domino's parking lot. Change it up a bit.
 
#221      
Dismal performance. I hate the fact that we have to wait another year for a shot back at them. One of the worst feelings I've had after a game in the over 40 years I have been an Illinois fan. Ranks up there with the debacle at Nebraska when Bruce was on his way out.

Time to tear this team apart and rebuild it for the new year. If this means that some guys get left in the process, so be it. Underwood does not get a pass in this. He needs to look at how things have gone so terribly wrong and own it. He needs to become the architect of a functional system that the guys can buy in to and execute.
BTW BU is 2-4 in bragging rights games... in some past years, this game turned out to be low point of season...hopefully we can look back and say "this was low, before BU turned it around"

Agree that getting Luke Goode back could have a significant impact on remainder of season.

Course correcting the season will be an amazing coaching challenge, ...we will see if BU is up to challenge.
 
#223      
I fear BU painted himself in a corner by not getting a veteran PG. what I see is Epps is going to be solid and is a scorer. I don’t really see PG in him, more combo type.

Skyy is simply way overrated as far as his ability to step in a run the team. He appears to have a good 3 point shot, but he is a typical freshman and his highly inconsistent. His defense is simply terrible, not that that can’t be fixed, but I see at least a 3 year player in college in him at a minimum not a one and done as he was advertised.

I think Harris has done the best job (maybe shy of Epps) just doing what he can to win. He is not a good shooter - YET, so he plays tough D. He needs to start with Epps in the back court as many have said, BUT does that really give us another way to “initiate” the offense other than CH? I don’t see PG in either Harris or Epps really?

This is the problem, BU rolled the dice with 3 freshman guards and assuming CH could initiate the offense and that clearly is a mess. I really don’t know what they are going to come up with as an offense, but it won’t matter because their defense is just terrible the switching takes NBA talent and we don’t have much of that (IMHO).
 
#225      

Dr Copejam

The Rock
I hate the portal. As a fan I am having a difficult time adjusting to the players on this team. Can you imagine how difficult it is for them?

The only player with any redeeming basketball qualities on this team is Harris and maybe an injured Goode. This is sad.
 
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