You must beMaybe he did not like being yelled at like a dog. I am not sure that I like BU's brand of "toughness." Nor would I encourage anyone to be coached like that.
Maybe he did not like being yelled at like a dog. I am not sure that I like BU's brand of "toughness." Nor would I encourage anyone to be coached like that.
Maybe not, but I can name a recruit ( like Larry Bird at Indiana) who showed up at campus and went back home. The Fabulous Fox - Jerry Sloan.Has there ever been a player who actually put on an Illini uniform who has played fewer career minutes? Even hutch played more for us
Yeah none of the successful college hoops or football coaches have ever yelled at a player.Maybe he did not like being yelled at like a dog. I am not sure that I like BU's brand of "toughness." Nor would I encourage anyone to be coached like that.
Don’t you think that’s a little much?Maybe he did not like being yelled at like a dog. I am not sure that I like BU's brand of "toughness." Nor would I encourage anyone to be coached like that.
Lol. Shall I compile a list of successful coaches who coach just as hard as Brad does? All you guys ever see is one side of it. There’s love in there too. The locker room celebration videos aren’t fake or staged. Ayo, Trent, Monte, Kofi, Plummer, Goode just to make a few would do anything for BU as well as he’d do anything for them.Maybe he did not like being yelled at like a dog. I am not sure that I like BU's brand of "toughness." Nor would I encourage anyone to be coached like that.
Yes. Who yells at dogs?Don’t you think that’s a little much?
This is what is wrong with sooooooo much!!!!! We're toooooooo soft!!!!! You haven't been yelled at before? You don't think competition at a high level comes with emotion? When there is a common goal of being successful as the highest level it's going to come with criticism, anger, emotion, yelling, etc. I totally get that some people don't respond to someone getting after them (then go play somewhere else), but my my my we need thicker tougher skin.Maybe he did not like being yelled at like a dog. I am not sure that I like BU's brand of "toughness." Nor would I encourage anyone to be coached like that.
You should come to a HS practice where my kid goes to.Maybe he did not like being yelled at like a dog. I am not sure that I like BU's brand of "toughness." Nor would I encourage anyone to be coached like that.
Some here prefer to yell at cloudsYes. Who yells at dogs?
Anybody who wants their dog to come to dinner or come in out of the weather; probably does.Yes. Who yells at dogs?
I think your comparisons would have more credibility if you compared BU’s program to a similar one and not a blue blood/or consistent winner with a deeply entrenched coach.I won't dissect Brad Underwood's coaching style or philosophy in this thread. Every student-athlete will react in their own way to a system. I'm assuming recruits talk to other players (including those who transferred out) and get a pretty good read on what they're walking into. I do tire of the constant re-arranging of the roster and staff. We're on year six with Coach U, and we've replaced the top three coaches (with three very excellent coaches).
Also, Coach Underwood has yet to graduate a single one of HIS recruits (except for his son, I guess, although he transferred in as well). They have all turned pro (Black, Ayo, Kofi, kind of Hutch I think) transferred, or are still on the roster. I loved that Trent and Da'Monte showed a ton of passion and stayed on for so long, but I really don't like the idea of a new starting five year in and year out if we're not making it past the first weekend.
(And before you say every school does this)
Illinois has now had 22 players transfer or turn pro in BU's tenure:
Te'Jon Lucas/Leron Black/Michael Finke/Mark Smith/Greg Eboigod/Matic Vesel/Samba Kane/Georgi Bezshonisvili/Ayo Dosunmu/Tevian Jones/Alan Griffin/Jermaine Hamlin/Kofi Cockburn/Austin Hutcherson/Ben Verdonk/Jacob Grandison/Adam Miller/Andre Curbelo/Omar Payne/Brandon Podzinski/Zach Perrine/Skyy Clark
Purdue has had 3 during this time including a top 5 pick:
Emmanuel Duwuona/Isiah Thompson/Jaden Ivey
Kansas has had 8 plus one player die (six transfers)
Quentin Grimes/Devin Dotson/Garrit Luinsta/Tristin Enaruna/Christian Braun/Isaac McBride/Bryce Thompson/Tyon Foster/
I'm too lazy to look at the rest of the NCAA (I'm sure someone could find a website dedicated to this sort of thing) but there are two teams with a lot of success without losing a lot of players year in and year out.
I enjoy Illini basketball, but I would much rather have consistency in the roster and be building a team rather than working piecemeal year in and year out.
I only yell at dog-shaped clouds.Some here prefer to yell at clouds
You’re using two established coaches for your comparison. It’s really not fair to compare the first couple of years of BU tenure, where we needed to plug in lesser talent to fill the roster.I won't dissect Brad Underwood's coaching style or philosophy in this thread. Every student-athlete will react in their own way to a system. I'm assuming recruits talk to other players (including those who transferred out) and get a pretty good read on what they're walking into. I do tire of the constant re-arranging of the roster and staff. We're on year six with Coach U, and we've replaced the top three coaches (with three very excellent coaches).
Also, Coach Underwood has yet to graduate a single one of HIS recruits (except for his son, I guess, although he transferred in as well). They have all turned pro (Black, Ayo, Kofi, kind of Hutch I think) transferred, or are still on the roster. I loved that Trent and Da'Monte showed a ton of passion and stayed on for so long, but I really don't like the idea of a new starting five year in and year out if we're not making it past the first weekend.
(And before you say every school does this)
Illinois has now had 22 players transfer or turn pro in BU's tenure:
Te'Jon Lucas/Leron Black/Michael Finke/Mark Smith/Greg Eboigod/Matic Vesel/Samba Kane/Georgi Bezshonisvili/Ayo Dosunmu/Tevian Jones/Alan Griffin/Jermaine Hamlin/Kofi Cockburn/Austin Hutcherson/Ben Verdonk/Jacob Grandison/Adam Miller/Andre Curbelo/Omar Payne/Brandon Podzinski/Zach Perrine/Skyy Clark
Purdue has had 3 during this time including a top 5 pick:
Emmanuel Duwuona/Isiah Thompson/Jaden Ivey
Kansas has had 8 plus one player die (six transfers)
Quentin Grimes/Devin Dotson/Garrit Luinsta/Tristin Enaruna/Christian Braun/Isaac McBride/Bryce Thompson/Tyon Foster/
I'm too lazy to look at the rest of the NCAA (I'm sure someone could find a website dedicated to this sort of thing) but there are two teams with a lot of success without losing a lot of players year in and year out.
I enjoy Illini basketball, but I would much rather have consistency in the roster and be building a team rather than working piecemeal year in and year out.
Lol you clearly didn’t even do research on Purdue because Eric Hunter transferred to Butler this past offseason and Matt Haarms went to BYU. Those are 2 guys just off the top of my head so I’d guess there are plenty more.I won't dissect Brad Underwood's coaching style or philosophy in this thread. Every student-athlete will react in their own way to a system. I'm assuming recruits talk to other players (including those who transferred out) and get a pretty good read on what they're walking into. I do tire of the constant re-arranging of the roster and staff. We're on year six with Coach U, and we've replaced the top three coaches (with three very excellent coaches).
Also, Coach Underwood has yet to graduate a single one of HIS recruits (except for his son, I guess, although he transferred in as well). They have all turned pro (Black, Ayo, Kofi, kind of Hutch I think) transferred, or are still on the roster. I loved that Trent and Da'Monte showed a ton of passion and stayed on for so long, but I really don't like the idea of a new starting five year in and year out if we're not making it past the first weekend.
(And before you say every school does this)
Illinois has now had 22 players transfer or turn pro in BU's tenure:
Te'Jon Lucas/Leron Black/Michael Finke/Mark Smith/Greg Eboigod/Matic Vesel/Samba Kane/Georgi Bezshonisvili/Ayo Dosunmu/Tevian Jones/Alan Griffin/Jermaine Hamlin/Kofi Cockburn/Austin Hutcherson/Ben Verdonk/Jacob Grandison/Adam Miller/Andre Curbelo/Omar Payne/Brandon Podzinski/Zach Perrine/Skyy Clark
Purdue has had 3 during this time including a top 5 pick:
Emmanuel Duwuona/Isiah Thompson/Jaden Ivey
Kansas has had 8 plus one player die (six transfers)
Quentin Grimes/Devin Dotson/Garrit Luinsta/Tristin Enaruna/Christian Braun/Isaac McBride/Bryce Thompson/Tyon Foster/
I'm too lazy to look at the rest of the NCAA (I'm sure someone could find a website dedicated to this sort of thing) but there are two teams with a lot of success without losing a lot of players year in and year out.
I enjoy Illini basketball, but I would much rather have consistency in the roster and be building a team rather than working piecemeal year in and year out.
In a vacuum, perhaps you're correct, but when you look at both situations and the backstories and motivations it isn't really that big of a deal. Not to bash on Skyy, but we've been a different team since he left. Perrin played a whopping 2 minutes and just didn't pass the "B1G Big Man" eye test for me (although that's hardly a valid criteria).Losing two guys during the season not a great look for the program.
Maybe, maybe not. Nice part is the sooner we know these things the better as it allows coaching staff to prep/adjust accordingly with more certainty.Losing two guys during the season not a great look for the program.
Very strange that you picked two teams that have had a lot of program stability for over a decade as a comparison. It should be expected that there are a number of players transferring out after a coach gets fired and new coach hired.I won't dissect Brad Underwood's coaching style or philosophy in this thread. Every student-athlete will react in their own way to a system. I'm assuming recruits talk to other players (including those who transferred out) and get a pretty good read on what they're walking into. I do tire of the constant re-arranging of the roster and staff. We're on year six with Coach U, and we've replaced the top three coaches (with three very excellent coaches).
Also, Coach Underwood has yet to graduate a single one of HIS recruits (except for his son, I guess, although he transferred in as well). They have all turned pro (Black, Ayo, Kofi, kind of Hutch I think) transferred, or are still on the roster. I loved that Trent and Da'Monte showed a ton of passion and stayed on for so long, but I really don't like the idea of a new starting five year in and year out if we're not making it past the first weekend.
(And before you say every school does this)
Illinois has now had 22 players transfer or turn pro in BU's tenure:
Te'Jon Lucas/Leron Black/Michael Finke/Mark Smith/Greg Eboigod/Matic Vesel/Samba Kane/Georgi Bezshonisvili/Ayo Dosunmu/Tevian Jones/Alan Griffin/Jermaine Hamlin/Kofi Cockburn/Austin Hutcherson/Ben Verdonk/Jacob Grandison/Adam Miller/Andre Curbelo/Omar Payne/Brandon Podzinski/Zach Perrine/Skyy Clark
Purdue has had 3 during this time including a top 5 pick:
Emmanuel Duwuona/Isiah Thompson/Jaden Ivey
Kansas has had 8 plus one player die (six transfers)
Quentin Grimes/Devin Dotson/Garrit Luinsta/Tristin Enaruna/Christian Braun/Isaac McBride/Bryce Thompson/Tyon Foster/
I'm too lazy to look at the rest of the NCAA (I'm sure someone could find a website dedicated to this sort of thing) but there are two teams with a lot of success without losing a lot of players year in and year out.
I enjoy Illini basketball, but I would much rather have consistency in the roster and be building a team rather than working piecemeal year in and year out.