Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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#151      
I think we make a call to Drake! See if we can get the Devries kid. I know his dad is the coach, but it might be a case where he may try to push his kid to the next level! 6’7” sharpshooter who tore up the MVV!
 
#154      
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It’d have to be a gangbuster season. Even Draymond Green, widely known as a “does the little things” type of player, averaged 16/10 his senior year and that earned him the 35th overall pick [1]. Hawk isn’t close to most of Draymond’s individual stat categories [2].

I think we’d all love to see Hawk make it, but I don’t see how it’d be this year. I hope me proves me wrong!

[1] https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/draymond-green-1.html
[2] https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4432976/coleman-hawkins
The factor you aren’t taking into account is how the NBA has changed. In a lot of ways Draymond changed the league’s perception of players like him. Out of MSU he was viewed as a “tweener,” which was at the time a knock. Then he went on to a hall-of-game career. Coming out of college today he’d be viewed as a switchy, versatile player and a surefire lotto pick.
 
#158      
His recruitment from the Illini's perspective was a clown show from what some Loyalty insiders have said. I'd doubt Underwood would get involved in that recruitment again should he decide to transfer.
I'd get over it if he can help me win.

Yuri Collins, Jaden Schutt, and Tristan daSilva would be a pretty good set of transfers.

While it seems unlikely Schutt will be an Illini, I just don't see a lot of strong shooters on the transfer market. I believe Kerwin Walton might have been brought up as a possible transfer. That would work over Schutt, but I'd rather have a guy with more eligibility.

And btw I have no knowledge of any of these guys even being a possibility. Just going through teams stats and making a wishlist.
 
#159      
I have no idea how to measure "culture", but, that said, I would like players that are talented AND understand, and adapt to "culture", "buy in", etc by summer end.

Cannot go into the season trying to figure out the basics.

And, please no Monster drinkers or addicts. Avoid them as much as possible.
 
#160      
With CoHawk another factor is the NBA toughness and rules. CoHawk has come a long way but feel his trajectory is close to Brian Cook. A fourth year to get his ppg above 16 pts and smooth out his game, get stronger.
 
#162      
With CoHawk another factor is the NBA toughness and rules. CoHawk has come a long way but feel his trajectory is close to Brian Cook. A fourth year to get his ppg above 16 pts and smooth out his game, get stronger.
Do NBA scouts hate him complaining after every foul call like it's the biggest miss in the history of basketball? I know I do. 😉

On a serious note, I hope he comes back. Cook really took on the alpha role in his senior year! Get that 3pt % up, work on the mid range shot, and stop pump faking and he's first rounder for sure!
 
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InDaAZ

Eugene, Oregon
My 2 cents - he's got two major issues: the obvious one is his 3 point shooting and what that does to his efficiency. The less obvious is his aggressiveness. For contrast, he's gone to the line 66 times in just over 1000 minutes. TSJ 192 times in 928 minutes. He's not challenging defenders much, opting for opportunistic buckets.
TJ is among the very top FTA in all of Power-5.

It’s a pretty unfair standard to hold Coleman to that stat, not to mention that it’s only one of many metrics of a player’s “aggressiveness.”

For example, Coleman has in the ballpark of double the offensive rebound than does TJ. That, to me, also denotes a certain level of aggressiveness…
 
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DeonThomas

South Carolina
Eh, not looking for specific names. They mentioned a possible big-time transfer as a possibility. I'm more curious if there are some things going on behind the scenes to give us hope that the staff will fill some obvious needs for next year's team (PG, SHOOTERS!!, a big, ...).
Saturday Sports Talk:
This past Saturday Steve and Loren talked with a well-seasoned beat writer from Lafayette, IN. They asked him what he thought of the 2022-23 Illini. He provided an interesting response (paraphrasing)...................I think Brad is having to spend way too much time coaching "culture & effort" this year. And that sometimes happens with too many transfers. In his opinion, he thinks it's much more important to recruit your own guys and teach them the program's culture, rather than trying to force-fit the puzzle pieces with juniors and seniors transferring from other programs.

Not sure where I land on the issue, but it was an interesting take.
 
#165      
TJ is among the very top FTA in all of Power-5.

It’s a pretty unfair standard to hold Coleman to that stat, not to mention that it’s only one of many metrics of a player’s “aggressiveness.”

For example, Coleman has in the ballpark of double the offensive rebound than does TJ. That, to me, also denotes a certain level of aggressiveness…

He's 31st in college, but I'm not gonna argue the point since they're not even remotely close --he's over 4 times as many. I feel like that's intentional misrepresentation to say I'm holding him to that standard when I'm comparing him to one quarter of the 31st most. TSJ IMHO represents the attribute I'm talking about, and in no way would I hold anyone to that as a standard, even TSJ. Simply meant for illustration.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree as to whether it would benefit Hawkins to be more aggressive. I think it would, but I'm no scout.
 
#166      
Saturday Sports Talk:
This past Saturday Steve and Loren talked with a well-seasoned beat writer from Lafayette, IN. They asked him what he thought of the 2022-23 Illini. He provided an interesting response (paraphrasing)...................I think Brad is having to spend way too much time coaching "culture & effort" this year. And that sometimes happens with too many transfers. In his opinion, he thinks it's much more important to recruit your own guys and teach them the program's culture, rather than trying to force-fit the puzzle pieces with juniors and seniors transferring from other programs.

Not sure where I land on the issue, but it was an interesting take.
I agree 100% with it. We were dealing with issues with players and the media, players not happy with the offense, a transfer situation, a guy going pro mid season......this was going on well into January. I still don't think that this team has meshed 100%, but it's obviously infinitely better than it was. I'm not sure that Mayer/Shannon have played overly well together. I'm not a fan of this his turn/my turn philosophy. I don't think that we've established a true "go to guy" because we have two guys who want to be it. It's had to be incredibly hard for BU to define roles on the fly. Those roles should be defined in September/October and not November thru March. That's the challenge put in front of these coaches.
 
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Cook

Richmond, VA
Until we hear something official regarding the NBA draft and the transfer pool, this should be our initial roster heading into 2023-24 (with one open spot). The extra Covid year applied, based upon eligibility. Should be enough for a Top 4 BIG TEN finish!


#PlayerPositionHt2023-249-Man
1Lieb, BrandonC7'0JRx
2Dainja, DainC6'10JRStart
3Hawkins, ColemanF6'10SRStart
4Shannon Jr., TerranceF6'9SRStart
5Rodgers, TyF6'6SOStart
6Melendez, RJF6'7JRx
7Hansberry, AmaniF6'7FR
8Goode, LukeG/F6'7JRx
9Harris, SencireG6'4SOx
10Epps, JaydenG6'2SOStart
11Morreti, NiccoliG6'2FR
12Gibbs-Lawhorn, DraG6'3FR
13
Morez?
 
#170      
Until we hear something official regarding the NBA draft and the transfer pool, this should be our initial roster heading into 2023-24 (with one open spot). The extra Covid year applied, based upon eligibility. Should be enough for a Top 4 BIG TEN finish!


#PlayerPositionHt2023-249-Man
1Lieb, BrandonC7'0JRx
2Dainja, DainC6'10JRStart
3Hawkins, ColemanF6'10SRStart
4Shannon Jr., TerranceF6'9SRStart
5Rodgers, TyF6'6SOStart
6Melendez, RJF6'7JRx
7Hansberry, AmaniF6'7FR
8Goode, LukeG/F6'7JRx
9Harris, SencireG6'4SOx
10Epps, JaydenG6'2SOStart
11Morreti, NiccoliG6'2FR
12Gibbs-Lawhorn, DraG6'3FR
13

Brandon Lieb will be a SR
Shannon will have exhausted his elligibility
 
#175      
I’m sure this has been asked before and I probably missed it but is there any chance Hawkins decides to return next year for his senior season?
 
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