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MDchicago

Lake Norman NC
Technically, no he didn't. He was cleared of wrongdoing by the IARP in December.

Excerpt from How Sean Miller, Wildcats Avoided Major Sanctions...

"The head coach responsibility charge, known formally as NCAA bylaw 11.1.1.1, carries a stiff standard for rebuttal. But the IARP ultimately ruled Miller did so, listing 18 examples of how Miller worked toward compliance, including the keeping a “Book of Truth” journal it said “documented many compliance-related events and actions.”

The IARP also said Miller had told his assistants that he expected them to unconditionally follow NCAA rules, that he held meetings to underscore that the responsibility of integrity of the program rested with him and that he insisted his staffers follow an “ask before action” approach requiring them to first consult with UA compliance officers before making a compliance-related decision.

Miller also required his assistants to document their activity after recruiting trips and asked that a member of the UA compliance staff accompany the team on every road trip. That condition still applies today: UA senior associate athletic director Brent Blaylock, who oversees compliance, routinely sits in on postgame news conferences. Robbins and Heeke often join him.

“It’s a long laundry list of things,” Brown said. “But the fact is that the panel believed that the evidence showed that Sean did those things, and that they were sufficient to show a commitment to compliance.”

What’s more, Welch said, the IARP found there was “just no way” Miller knew of Richardson and Phelps’ dealings, citing the long federal probe into Richardson and Phelps’ “covert” actions.

“In our view, these kinds of actions could not have been detected by the head coach,” Welch said."
 
#153      
I'm not sure if you are a true insider then because from what I hear that's all everyone is talking about
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#156      
If Underwood was coaching in Henson’s era, I think we would have seen players grabbing some pine too. A lot has changed in college basketball since then. Henson didn’t have to deal with the no sit transfer rule let alone NIL. How many guys transferred out of Illinois under Henson? Don’t recall any Illini players basically transferring in mid-season — and, sadly, that isn’t all that uncommon these days. I liked Lou, but to compare coaching in the two eras isn’t anywhere near apples to apples.
Off the top of my head, Tom Shafer and Brett Robisch left mid-season. I'd guess an average of a player a year transferred out, so there were fewer.
 
#157      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
If Underwood was coaching in Henson’s era, I think we would have seen players grabbing some pine too. A lot has changed in college basketball since then. Henson didn’t have to deal with the no sit transfer rule let alone NIL. How many guys transferred out of Illinois under Henson? Don’t recall any Illini players basically transferring in mid-season — and, sadly, that isn’t all that uncommon these days. I liked Lou, but to compare coaching in the two eras isn’t anywhere near apples to apples.
God, if NIL had been around in the days of Henson, White and Stoner we'd be the freaking all-sports dynasty of the Midwest.
 
#159      
On the one hand that sounds like a guy who would be very interested in a Big Ten job. On the other hand it also sounds like a 64 year old coach who might be getting a little sick of modern college basketball in general.

But Altman is one of the best, if our job opens while he's still committed to the game (he's 6 years younger than Pitino), that's gotta be a name on the list.
Side note: Not that this will ever be THE determining factor by itself for a coach, but I think Big Ten fans sometimes do not appreciate how rare it is to have SO many programs within the conference that regularly fill up their arenas. Just looking at this year, 12 of 14 Big Ten teams had at least one sold out Big Ten game - even Minnesota, who was TERRIBLE. The average Big Ten team filled up 83% of their arena's capacity over the length of the season, and that counts some cupcake games.

For fun, for anyone interested, this is the average attendance as a percent of each arena's capacity by Big Ten team, with the number of sold out games in parentheses:

Michigan State: 100% (14)
Purdue: 100% (16)
Rutgers: 98.3% (16)
Illinois: 96.5% (12)
Michigan: 96.4% (6)
Indiana: 93.5% (12)
Nebraska: 85.3% (0)
Wisconsin: 82.9% (3)
Iowa: 82.2% (3)
Maryland: 78.3% (3)
Northwestern: 69.5% (5)
Minnesota: 66.2% (1)
Ohio State: 66.1% (1)
Penn State: 50.6% (0)

Anyway, sorry for the semi-OT post. However, if I were a coach, I guess I would definitely find the incredible fan support in the Big Ten as a draw. I believe our conference has led the nation in average attendance like 40 years in a row, which is very impressive when you look at some of the other programs/arenas around the nation.
 
#161      

Kilgore Trout

Driftless Region
I'm a long time lurker and promise to try to not be an idiot "I just showed up here and know everything" type. In fact, growing up in Peoria, attending Manual, and being average height and slow, I spent gym class basketball games with about every shot I tried to put up ending up back in my face. I therefore pretend absolutely no player experience knowledge beyond driveway games with neighbors. I just want to say thanks to the people who have real inside information and people who have played at high levels, who take the time to share their knowledge and/or experience here.
 
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#162      
Very interesting take by Waddell in the last couple minutes there. Pretty much echoes our insiders' comments in the last day or so. Brad isn't necessarily looking to leave but would jump if the right opportunity presented itself. Dominoes would need to fall a particular way to expedite that, though.
The "make-or-break" thing for me with Brad is what does the "right opportunity" mean? If there are just places like Texas that are willing to offer him money that we simply will not or cannot match and Brad leaves for that ... whatever. What I would find more concerning is if Brad has a long list of programs he'd rather be at for equal money that are in the tier of Arkansas. In other words, would Brad stay at Illinois in a hypothetical world where we were able to match Texas' offer?? Where we matched Arkansas' offer?? Or does he just not really want to be at Illinois, and the inverse is almost true where it's his currently superb salary keeping him here in the first place. That would be really disappointing and kind of ridiculous, in my personal and biased opinion.
 
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#163      

redwingillini11

White and Sixth
North Aurora
I think it's curious that Indy and Lville are on opposite sides of the spectrum on this carousel stuff. The common denominator in this case is Indy doesn't miss...
Interesting that they may be in different camps within the AD/basketball hierarchy.
 
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drsmitty74

Rochester
Very interesting take by Waddell in the last couple minutes there. Pretty much echoes our insiders' comments in the last day or so. Brad isn't necessarily looking to leave but would jump if the right opportunity presented itself. Dominoes would need to fall a particular way to expedite that, though.
Exactly.

From what I have gathered reading some GREAT stuff on LAD the last two nights, I don't think any of our insiders are saying anything about BU leaving for the TX job unless something happens to their other top 3-5 targets. There is a relationship with Del Conte and BU. DC would hire BU, but there is a lot convincing that would need to be done to the $$$ guys at TX.

IF BU is to leave, it seems as though, some dominoes would have to fall, other than TX. Teams like KY, KU, AR, KSt. or AL would most likely be the dominoes that would have to start falling if BU were to leave to another school.

Again, maybe I am reading the tea leaves in a different language, but this is my take away from the last three days of posts.
 
#168      
Very interesting take by Waddell in the last couple minutes there. Pretty much echoes our insiders' comments in the last day or so. Brad isn't necessarily looking to leave but would jump if the right opportunity presented itself. Dominoes would need to fall a particular way to expedite that, though.
This is probably always true with every coach all the time. If you win enough, eventually the 1996 Chicago Bulls are contacting you from an alternate universe wanting you to be their coach.

But there’s a lot that hinges on Underwood’s definition of “right opportunity.” If that’s too wide a net, it’s a problem. Brad wins more and he’s gone, bad for the program. Brad tanks and the “opportunities” aren’t there, well that means the team has tanked, also bad for the program. I’d hate to be Whitman in this situation. What do you do?
 
#169      
The "make-or-break" thing for me with Brad is what does the "right opportunity" mean? If there are just places like Texas that are willing to offer him money that we simply will not or cannot match and Brad leaves for that ... whatever. What I would find more concerning is if Brad has a long list of programs he'd rather be at for equal money that are in the tier of Arkansas. In other words, would Brad stay at Illinois in a hypothetical world where we were able to match Texas' offer?? Where we matched Arkansas' offer?? Or does he just not really want to be at Illinois, and the inverse is almost true where it's his currently superb salary keeping him here in the first place. That would be really disappointing and kind of ridiculous, in my personal and biased opinion.
Let me play devil's advocate...what if Brad sees the direction of college basketball with the portal, and he feels that he needs to move to a school that has more money available to pay players (Walmart type), and less restrictive admission standards?
 
#170      
Side note: Not that this will ever be THE determining factor by itself for a coach, but I think Big Ten fans sometimes do not appreciate how rare it is to have SO many programs within the conference that regularly fill up their arenas. Just looking at this year, 12 of 14 Big Ten teams had at least one sold out Big Ten game - even Minnesota, who was TERRIBLE. The average Big Ten team filled up 83% of their arena's capacity over the length of the season, and that counts some cupcake games.

For fun, for anyone interested, this is the average attendance as a percent of each arena's capacity by Big Ten team, with the number of sold out games in parentheses:

Michigan State: 100% (14)
Purdue: 100% (16)
Rutgers: 98.3% (16)
Illinois: 96.5% (12)
Michigan: 96.4% (6)
Indiana: 93.5% (12)
Nebraska: 85.3% (0)
Wisconsin: 82.9% (3)
Iowa: 82.2% (3)
Maryland: 78.3% (3)
Northwestern: 69.5% (5)
Minnesota: 66.2% (1)
Ohio State: 66.1% (1)
Penn State: 50.6% (0)

Anyway, sorry for the semi-OT post. However, if I were a coach, I guess I would definitely find the incredible fan support in the Big Ten as a draw. I believe our conference has led the nation in average attendance like 40 years in a row, which is very impressive when you look at some of the other programs/arenas around the nation.
I knew that anOSU has a crap arena and tepid support for mediocre teams, but 66% is pretty surprising. And pleasing to me!
 
#174      
An idle question. Is there anyone on this board who would not have a conversation with an established competitor offering more money?
 
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