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Big Jack

Big Jack
Decatur
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pruman91 said:
Nice post bro...............I said yesterday that I was completely blindsided by the talk about BU sniffing around other HC jobs as I never knew he had ever done that .......

All I've heard from BU is this is his dream job and we have the best fans in the country........With the upgrades to Ubben , following the major upgrade to SFC , I felt JW was doing everything to make our facilities among the best in the nation ....

Then came the extensions to BU and the increase in the AC pool to replace the 3 AC's we lost .............It got to where , IMHO , anything that BU wanted , either JW got or tried to get.......Not being an insider I depend on Indy , 0440 , Lville and DBHeadband for any info regarding the behind the scene's going's on with the Illini....

Yesterday's thread just sprouted wings and was flying at breakneck speed for the duration of the day.........Post after post of so and so going there and what ramifications that would have on the Illini.......The thing that got my attention was the notion that BU has sniffed around other jobs EVERY year since he's been here......I get the nature of the job as I had other companies calling me and asking if I was happy where I was at ........But , I never inquired first about another job and that has me in a quandry about BU..

I kinda feel betrayed by that , or at least mislead by his action of sniffing around privately while profoundly spewing superlatives about UI and Illini Nation , talking about how tight he was with JW and now what he has said might not be an accurate picture of what is really going on........I have known other managers in my field years ago just tell me they needed another challenge as they had become stagnant in their current job performance.......Ok , that's cool .....Just don't go so overboard with the praise unless it is truly heartfelt.............JUST BE HONEST is all I ask.......And i feel our good sources were being brutally honest with their info they passed on to all of us yesterday.....I would trust all 4 of them completely without reservation in their info........

Bottom line to me is we are in for an exciting period going forth and when the music ends , I hope we have the right coach to lead us to the second weekend in the dance and even further,,,,,,JMHO ...It really really really is ................

LETS GO ILLINI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nice Post Pru.... What if you are a recruit who has been told over and over that you are all in on Illinois and how great the place is... Then suddenly you hear through twitter etc... that the coach you want to or have committed to isn't telling you the truth... Do I wanna commit to a school and coach that might be gone before i walk on campus.

I must be an idiot because i bought the whole this is my dream job bla bla after watching the flying illini..... I love what he has done to improve the program and fix everything Groce and Weber screwed up. However I do not trust him anymore... I will cheer for any player who suits up in the orange and blue. But I will not stand and cheer for BU pregame now.
 
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ChiefGritty

ChiefGritty
Chicago, IL
ChiefGritty
IlliniBrave75 said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1638319396006273027
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The video makes the point in a fuller, more subtle way than the text of the tweet itself, worth a listen.

I think the best way to think about where college basketball stands on March 22, 2023 is not so much a new reality we've arrived at that we can carefully weigh and analyze, but a landscape where change is still actively occurring in a rapid and unpredictable fashion. It's not exactly clear where we're going to be or what the most important things are going to be in five years. No NIL collective at any school is *today* what will be needed to compete in 2030, we don't even know what that looks like yet. Not an easy time to be a coach or AD. But chaos is a ladder.
 
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the national

the national
the Front Range
the national
Big Jack said:
Nice Post Pru.... What if you are a recruit who has been told over and over that you are all in on Illinois and how great the place is... Then suddenly you hear through twitter etc... that the coach you want to or have committed to isn't telling you the truth... Do I wanna commit to a school and coach that might be gone before i walk on campus.

I must be an idiot because i bought the whole this is my dream job bla bla after watching the flying illini..... I love what he has done to improve the program and fix everything Groce and Weber screwed up. However I do not trust him anymore... I will cheer for any player who suits up in the orange and blue. But I will not stand and cheer for BU pregame now.
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That's pretty harsh for a guy just doing his job. He's still an Illini, flaws and all. I think he really likes this Illinois job; otherwise, he wouldn't have taken it in the first place. Thank goodness he did. We needed him badly. For that, I will applaud him.

The next move will determine the tenor of his legacy here in Champaign. I must say, at the moment, it looks a bit murky.
 
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sacraig

sacraig
The desert
sacraig
CV Illini said:
A clean and shiny coaching carousel thread….YAY!!!! No insiders chiming in…..BOOOO!!!
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Illiniguy13

Illiniguy13
Illiniguy13
ChiefGritty said:
The video makes the point in a fuller, more subtle way than the text of the tweet itself, worth a listen.

I think the best way to think about where college basketball stands on March 22, 2023 is not so much a new reality we've arrived at that we can carefully weigh and analyze, but a landscape where change is still actively occurring in a rapid and unpredictable fashion. It's not exactly clear where we're going to be or what the most important things are going to be in five years. No NIL collective at any school is *today* what will be needed to compete in 2030, we don't even know what that looks like yet. Not an easy time to be a coach or AD. But chaos is a ladder.
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Roundball Sage

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Roundball Sage
sacraig said:
Pac-12 attendance more broadly is pretty abysmal with a few exceptions. That's got to be frustrating as a coach and player.
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And Pac 12 attendance will not be improved with the departure of UCLA and USC.

But the Pac 12 is super excited (not) about the possible additions of San Diego State, SMU, and Fresno State. I'm sure they'll be a stampede on ticket offices when those additions are officially announced.
 
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Heisenbobble

Heisenbobble
Heisenbobble
spotter said:
They have nothing new to add, or they are confirming new intel with their sources, or the excrement is about to hit the fan and their sources have ordered them into radio silence.
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Likely nothing to add right now. We covered a lot of territory with different perspectives on what's happening/not happening. Might as well sit tight through the weekend and enjoy some great hoops action. I'm guessing we'll know more after Sunday's games.
 
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Roundball Sage

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Roundball Sage
the national said:
Since this is an airing of grievances, I get really bothered when Coach says this guy is "elite" or "elite-elite" when everyone knows that it's not true. What scale are you using, Coach?
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This is just Coach-speak for sending a public message to his own players: ‘I Want You Guys To Play At An Elite Level!’

Over the years, various sages have put it this way: “Watch your thoughts. They become words. Watch your words. They become deeds. Watch your deeds. They become habits.”

It’s a way to motivate and inspire someone to live up to the words you’ve spoken.

Unfortunately (as we’ve seen at times)... this kind of strategy doesn’t always come to flower. Particularly when you can't seem to hit a damn Three.
 
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pruman91

pruman91
Paducah, Ky
pruman91
Big Jack said:
Nice Post Pru.... What if you are a recruit who has been told over and over that you are all in on Illinois and how great the place is... Then suddenly you hear through twitter etc... that the coach you want to or have committed to isn't telling you the truth... Do I wanna commit to a school and coach that might be gone before i walk on campus.

I must be an idiot because i bought the whole this is my dream job bla bla after watching the flying illini..... I love what he has done to improve the program and fix everything Groce and Weber screwed up. However I do not trust him anymore... I will cheer for any player who suits up in the orange and blue. But I will not stand and cheer for BU pregame now.
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great post.......I will not and i hope you don't feel like an idiot as we endured numerous years of not dancing or missing out on recruits we needed to help raise the Illini status back to a level of respectibility........i think we both felt hope that had been missing for a long time......I will support BU as long as he is our coach , but i agree with you.....my support will not be a blind eye support , but a more guarded approach to what he says and how he acts on the sidelines during games going forward.....

As far as being a recruit who committed to the Illini , I would sit down and reappraise the situation ......I also would want to have a face to face meeting with said coach with my family members there to support me......BTW , that's just me talking if I was a recruit......In no way am I recommending any Illini recruit to do what I said I would do......just wanting to be clear about that..

BU has been very responsive about the quality of good people we have on the squad....all we can do is hope sooner or later we get a coach who wants to be here for the long haul and not be out there sniffing around at other jobs and put that effort of sniffing around into filling the holes in our roster that was revealed this season by our less than " elite " play....I really really do..
 
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bluemountain

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bluemountain
Big Jack said:
Nice Post Pru.... What if you are a recruit who has been told over and over that you are all in on Illinois and how great the place is... Then suddenly you hear through twitter etc... that the coach you want to or have committed to isn't telling you the truth... Do I wanna commit to a school and coach that might be gone before i walk on campus.

I must be an idiot because i bought the whole this is my dream job bla bla after watching the flying illini..... I love what he has done to improve the program and fix everything Groce and Weber screwed up. However I do not trust him anymore... I will cheer for any player who suits up in the orange and blue. But I will not stand and cheer for BU pregame now.
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I hear what you are saying, but keep in mind the only "data" we have right now is conjecture from our insiders. For all we know BU is perfectly happy here and there is nothing to support the conjecture.
 
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ChiefGritty

ChiefGritty
Chicago, IL
ChiefGritty
Roundball Sage said:
This is just Coach-speak for sending a public message to his own players: ‘I Want You Guys To Play At An Elite Level!’

Over the years, various sages have put it this way: “Watch your thoughts. They become words. Watch your words. They become deeds. Watch your deeds. They become habits.”

It’s a way to motivate and inspire someone to live up to the words you’ve spoken.

Unfortunately (as we’ve seen at times)... this kind of strategy doesn’t always come to flower. Particularly when you can't seem to hit a damn Three.
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I mostly find it funny and charming, but it is sorta weird the way BU is at one end of the spectrum in terms of ludicrously over-hyping the abilities of his players in the press and then at the total other end in terms of ripping them to shreds on the sidelines. Lots of posts in these threads saying "all coaches are like that but it's not true, BU is a unique cat.

I'm sure a lot of both of those extremes is BU just putting on a performance for an audience, he's self-aware in that way, but there's probably an aspect of him really believing his players are capable of more and wanting them to believe it too in that juxtaposition.
 
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sacraig

sacraig
The desert
sacraig
hooraybeer said:
I will say that I am somewhat surprised by how many have mentioned that Sean Miller's infractions/supposed infractions are now permitted, somehow absolving him of them. He did break the rules, right?
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Generally speaking I assume that all major programs broke said rules to some extent. It's just a question of how much and who gets caught. Also, Miller was not technically directly implicated by the evidence (though it's hard to believe he was totally oblivious, either).
 
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EyeoftheIllini

EyeoftheIllini
EyeoftheIllini
azillini1 said:
I agree with you. There are a number of coaches that pull players after bone head plays. In addition to Izzo, Cronin, Huggins, and Self all will make a player sit for a TO, bad defense, bad shots, etc. I consider all these coaches to be "elite" coaches. Brad seemed to be hesitant and gave players a longer rope.
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Well if he had pulled kids after a turnover, he would have been reaching into the stands for people to play. I certainly saw BU pull guys after bad play. But he may well have been less apt to do it as you and Hail point out.
 
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altgeld88

altgeld88
Arlington, Virginia
altgeld88
ChiefGritty said:
The video makes the point in a fuller, more subtle way than the text of the tweet itself, worth a listen.

I think the best way to think about where college basketball stands on March 22, 2023 is not so much a new reality we've arrived at that we can carefully weigh and analyze, but a landscape where change is still actively occurring in a rapid and unpredictable fashion. It's not exactly clear where we're going to be or what the most important things are going to be in five years. No NIL collective at any school is *today* what will be needed to compete in 2030, we don't even know what that looks like yet. Not an easy time to be a coach or AD. But chaos is a ladder.
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What does he mean in the video when he uses the word "collective?" Is that simply a critical mass of boosters willing to fund NIL or something beyond that?
 
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LoveIlliniHoops

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LoveIlliniHoops
the national said:
That's pretty harsh for a guy just doing his job. He's still an Illini, flaws and all. I think he really likes this Illinois job; otherwise, he wouldn't have taken it in the first place. Thank goodness he did. We needed him badly. For that, I will applaud him.

The next move will determine the tenor of his legacy here in Champaign. I must say, at the moment, it looks a bit murky.
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Until BU leaves, I wish we could support our head coach. I have no problem with him pursuing other options. That’s what most successful people do in their careers. I’ve been with my current employer for 32 years, but if someone came along with an insanely good offer, I’d be out of town in an instant. It doesn’t mean I’m not committed to my current employer, it means someone was willing to make me an offer I couldn’t refuse.

Let’s try and be supportive. I do believe he will be our head coach. If not, I’ll hope JW can meet our lofty expectations and I’m positive half of us will be unhappy with the new hire as well.

Here’s to an amazing run in 23-24 with BU taking us to the second weekend!!
 
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ChiefGritty

ChiefGritty
Chicago, IL
ChiefGritty
altgeld88 said:
What does he mean in the video when he uses the word "collective?" Is that simply a critical mass of boosters willing to fund NIL or something beyond that?
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The Illini Guardians, for example, is an NIL "collective". A group that centralizes and directs contributions by a number of different donors of big and small dollar amounts.

Much like in the political campaign world, the combined contributions of small dollar donors can in fact be bigger and more influential than the biggest individual fish.
 
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