illiniswish09
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How about those Dana Altman comments last night postgame…
With how it played out, did the team assume that, or was his camp insisting on it?It seems we didn't have a second option because the assumption was Skyy was a special talent to contribute as we needed from a PG for 25+ minutes per game. As it turns out he was not, and we saw what happened. Things don't always turn out as planned.
Nice post bro...............I said yesterday that I was completely blindsided by the talk about BU sniffing around other HC jobs as I never knew he had ever done that .......After reading numerous posts on this topic the past 36 hours....I've come to these conclusions.... 1) most here think BU has done a pretty decent job considering where the program was when he first arrived....2) have we made progress....absolutely.....3) are we relevant .....yes....4) are we competing for championships....B10 wise...yes.....national level...no.....5) are we recruiting at a higher level....yes....6) has the NIL made a difference in the progress of improvement of the program....this one is probably 50-50....I'm gonna say to be determined.....7) are there concerns with the offensive schemes that BU and staff employee....yes......8) are there concerns with the defensive schemes that are used....not really, been pretty good here most of the time.....9) are there concerns about the culture surrounding the program....not until this year....could that be results of the NIL portal system.....maybe.....10) and finally, are we Elite.....no.....but probably most think we're hoovering somewhere just below that level.......So....with changes to some of the areas mentioned above and others in previous threads, can we compete for national championships...can we become Elite.....absolutely.....can BU and his staff make these changes... that's the question....I believe they can and think we need to be patient (given what BU has accomplished over the past 3-4 years) and see what transpires with the recruits coming in the next year or so and what the portal produces.....jmo
100000% agree. No doubt. If BU has completely gone off the rails and has put himself publicly out there for hire, citing JW as a problem, citing the University as a problem, etc, that's an entirely different situation than taking calls and sniffing around. If he and JW talked, amongst themselves, and they're on the same page...that's professionally and personally acceptable. That's just good business and JW is an incredibly good businessman. If there's good communication on raises, bonuses, job offerings, agreement to look, etc....that's a great relationship and shouldn't be looked at as a spite of anyone.It's always good to know your worth. But of course there's a certain amount of tact required to do it without burning bridges.
According to E.F. Hutton: “ he was given the keys and he crapped the bed.”With how it played out, did the team assume that, or was his camp insisting on it?
And how many other PGs did it keep away?
Is that you Tucker?This morning Josh Whitman was back in Mahomet eating breakfast. This time just with Jerry Colangelo. I was not very subtle and Josh could tell I was trying to listen to their conversation. So they kept it to a whisper. When Josh went to pay at the register he grabbed a candy bar. As he was leaving he gave me a wink and showed me the candy bar. It was a 3 Musketeers! Was he trying to tell me he was bringing in the trio of Xavier Musketeers Head Coach Sean Miller, assistant coach Adam Cohen, and strength coach Andy Kettler? I don't know any other way it could be interpreted.
You're not. I remember that post, too. I'm just wondering if the staff had the same opinion of Clark's abilities, or if they handed him the keys because the family said that's how it had to be.According to E.F. Hutton: “ he was given the keys and he crapped the bed.”
I’m pretty sure I am not misquoting him…
I see you are from Austin @Illini92and96 - whats your pulse on things down there?Matthew McConaughey as their next coach? I mean, I saw that he coached Marshall, but that was for football. Basketball coach would be a stretch, despite his diverse talents.
What is sad is Skyy likely does have what it takes physically. He was coming off a injury and wasn't even 15 games into his career. It was certainly a struggle and he just quit. He quit on himself his team, and his Coach. Its sad because I do think he has a lot of talent and can shoot but I think he thought it would be easy and it wasn't. I think he had talent but great players have a better approach to adversity & don't just quit when things get tough. Great players don't quit on themselves, their teammates or their coach that wanted the best for everyone. Had he had a better approach to those hurdles things would have turned out better for everyone.It seems we didn't have a second option because the assumption was Skyy was a special talent to contribute as we needed from a PG for 25+ minutes per game. As it turns out he was not, and we saw what happened. Things don't always turn out as planned.
Josh tapping in to some of that NIL $ for himself.Either that or he was recommending/promoting 3 Musketeers. hmmmmmmmm
Bingo....................i recruited and hired many an agent ....They could look good , talk good and hit all the right things pertaining to the job........But until they performed on the field of play I never knew if I had a winner or a dud.........After 5 years only one out of five survived in my career field .......From what was alluded to last year and from Coleman’s comments after the Arkansas game, it was pretty clear that Skyy was told he would start and play a significant role in the offense. It would have been very hard to get any qualify transfer PG with a guaranteed backup role, playing 10 minutes a game (believe 0440 kept making this point last offseason)
I think the rankings coaches methodology here is just too simplistic. Coaches make bets, especially in recruiting, all the time. To then conflate that with on-court performance (especially relative to previous years) is just not a good way to measure skill or performance. Painter, for instance, went from 29-6 (14-4) in 2010 to 15-17 (5-13) in 2014. Did he get worse as a coach? Not likely, but a series of events led to those terrible seasons in the middle.
I think the question you ask yourself now is, “do you believe that a Brad Underwood team is going to be consistently top half of the league, and usually top 4?” My answer to that is squarely yes, even with whatever that offense was last season.
This.
An agent is always fielding calls. It's their job. (It's also how we got Brad from OSU with him only being there a year, so the fact that he's entertaining calls shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.)
However, I'd have to imagine how aggressive said agent is does depend on how aggressive his client would like him to be. It's starting to feel like Brad's being too aggressive year in and year out.
Good thing you didn’t point from B to A. That would have been a lot more graphic of a statementTerry would be promoted to HC before they took Underwood.
This isn’t an A====>B thing.
Think musical chairs.
that is oh so yesterday and laughed at a lot....Buddy of mine just sent this screen shot... Which one of you pot-stirring jokers has the twitter handle "The Assman"?
Bingo! Hopefully he can but from a "neutral perspective" its very clear this past season we had enough talent to have played better. Barkley is neutral as far as Illini go and when he said we are so careless with the ball in March he was 100 percent correct. This year without Kofi was not encouraging. BU certainly had to have learned a lot this season both on and off the court. He is smart and will get better from it too.Underwood hasn't shown me what he can do without 1st Team All American talent on the roster to believe that Illinois will be Top 4 more often than not. It's ok to be biased but we should be able to step back and look at the situation to Illinois and how it looks objectively from a neutral perspective.
I think if you look at Ayo, Kofi, Frazier, Giorgi, Damonte, Coleman, Plummer, Rodgers, Sencire, etc were definitely emboldened by BU. He gave RJ, what, until February before he had to sit him because he was in his own head and then....RJ regained confidence and was VERY good down the stretch. If there's an issue, to me, he needs to better vet who he brings in. Some guys thrive on the tough love, being pushed to get every last ounce of talent out of you, being challenged, etc. Conversely, we see the guys that didn't take to that well. No need to name names, we've seen it. Morez was interviewed a couple of weeks ago and he flat out said that he thrives on being pushed. If I had to pick one area that BU needs to clean up, it needs to be the guys he takes on. If he wants a team with a dog mentality, he needs guys who fit that mold and guys need to know who the boss is before they sign up. BU had to completely reinvent his defensive principles, in January, because he had guys who couldn't grasp it. He had to reinvent his personality, in January, because some didn't take to it. The comments at the end of the year by Hawkins and TSJ regarding guys not listening to the coach, the plays he's calling and that having to change...was an eye opener. It took them being humbled to get to that conclusion? They saw it. The recruiting of personalities needs to be stronger ... JMO.One point that hasn't been discussed is that Underwood is relatively young in the head coaching position. Also, this is his longest stint as head coach at the same place. We may be the only place to be beyond the honeymoon phase and are seeing who he is as a leader. Many on the board lament that we do not have the "everyday guys" BU wants and for some reason are blaming the players. BU is the leader and teams tend to take on their coaches identity especially if the coach has been there a number of years. My biggest complaint/concern regarding BU is we had many young and new players on the roster and he was unable to instill confidence and consistency. This was a very big problem for RJ and in my estimation he was the early scapegoat for Underwood while allowing others to make the same mistakes with much different repercussions. Also, I am not a fan of a coach throwing around "elite" compliments one moment and then completely "disowning" the team or player the next either manifested by his sideline actions or in a press conference. It seems consistency and CONFIDENCE are lacking all around....maybe this is why BU supposedly has taken poorly to outside input?
On the one hand that sounds like a guy who would be very interested in a Big Ten job. On the other hand it also sounds like a 64 year old coach who might be getting a little sick of modern college basketball in general.How about those Dana Altman comments last night postgame… View attachment 24391
Pac-12 attendance more broadly is pretty abysmal with a few exceptions. That's got to be frustrating as a coach and player.How about those Dana Altman comments last night postgame… View attachment 24391
Pac-12 attendance more broadly is pretty abysmal with a few exceptions. That's got to be frustrating as a coach and player.