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Honest question, why would it be bad optics? I think the casual fans would see it as an upgrade just as would the hardcore fans? There might be some critical articles written, but those are of little consequence. As soon as Miller has Some positive news like a high profile assistant coach or player signing all would be forgotten.
Fire a coach that has brought your program back to relevance. Has won the most Big Ten games of any school in the last four years with 1 (cough 2) BIG Ten regular season championships, a BTT Championship, a #1 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

We've had some bad tournament luck and haven't advanced very far, I get it. But the rest of that stuff does matter. Fire a guy with that resume sets an awfully high bar for the next guy, and it doesn't look great firing a guy who has had a ton of success.
 
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Honest question, why would it be bad optics? I think the casual fans would see it as an upgrade just as would the hardcore fans? There might be some critical articles written, but those are of little consequence. As soon as Miller has Some positive news like a high profile assistant coach or player signing all would be forgotten.
I don't think casual fans would know the full context or be discerning enough to know BU from SM. So it would look like we just fired our best coach of the last 20 years for no good reason. And then hired an Xavier coach who was implicated in a scandal at his last job. Despite the vocal internet crazies who want BU fired, I think most Illinois fans still like BU despite what went down this year. And I'm not sure what kind of signal that sends to other potential and current coaches, not just basketball but all sports at Illinois.
 
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Ryllini

Lombard
If we get a new staff and the "rock star" staff mentioned all comes together, does Chet stay with BU or does he venture out again. Chet seems to have connects everywhere. Seems like such a good dude, I hope he can plant roots somewhere.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
Josh isnt firing Brad for anything other than for a verified "cause" of his contract.

There are quite honestly some crazy and whacked out takes/comments by some of the posters here

Basically , he is our coach until he decides to retire, or leave for greener pastures for whatever reason he sees fit.
 
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sacraig

The desert
Fire a coach that has brought your program back to relevance. Has won the most Big Ten games of any school in the last four years with 1 (cough 2) BIG Ten regular season championships, a BTT Championship, a #1 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

We've had some bad tournament luck and haven't advanced very far, I get it. But the rest of that stuff does matter. Fire a guy with that resume sets an awfully high bar for the next guy, and it doesn't look great firing a guy who has had a ton of success.
I think most of the fanbase plainly gives Underwood a pass on his first two years as well. Someone earlier in these threads included them in their analysis of why they weren't sold on Underwood at this time, but most of us (casual and hardcore alike) give him a pass because he inherited a dumpster fire and brought us back to life by year 3. That's a monumental accomplishment. And Underwood's numbers look phenomenal pretty much across the board if you omit those two years except in tournament success (which is admittedly a big one).

So yeah, I don't think the optics would be great and I think it would look like setting a pretty ridiculously high bar to any prospective new hire. There would need to be some catalyst for making a change that is public, not just message board/Twitter reports of Underwood shopping around a little too much for Whitman's liking.
 
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sacraig

The desert
Josh isnt firing Brad for anything other than for a verified "cause" of his contract.

There are quite honestly some crazy and whacked out takes/comments by some of the posters here

Basically , he is our coach until he decides to retire, or leave for greener pastures for whatever reason he sees fit.
I certainly think Josh could fire Brad at some point... just not this year (or likely the next few) without a really good, publicly visible reason.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
I certainly think Josh could fire Brad at some point... just not this year (or likely the next few) without a really good, publicly visible reason.
he needs justifiable cause.
not just because he hasnt gotten us to a S16 , or because he kicks the tires on coaching opportunities every March
 
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I think most of the fanbase plainly gives Underwood a pass on his first two years as well. Someone earlier in these threads included them in their analysis of why they weren't sold on Underwood at this time, but most of us (casual and hardcore alike) give him a pass because he inherited a dumpster fire and brought us back to life by year 3. That's a monumental accomplishment. And Underwood's numbers look phenomenal pretty much across the board if you omit those two years except in tournament success (which is admittedly a big one).

So yeah, I don't think the optics would be great and I think it would look like setting a pretty ridiculously high bar to any prospective new hire. There would need to be some catalyst for making a change that is public, not just message board/Twitter reports of Underwood shopping around a little too much for Whitman's liking.
Brad's a smart guy. He's well aware of his job security here. Firing him would be an absolutely ludicrous decision. Annoying as it may be, he's going to keep his eyes on the coaching market. Can't blame the guy, he's got hand.

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sbillini

st petersburg, fl
he needs justifiable cause.
not just because he hasnt gotten us to a S16 , or because he kicks the tires on coaching opportunities every March

Or he just doesn’t extend his contract any longer and brad sees the writing on the wall.

At that level of pay and visibility, both the terms “firing” and “justifiable cause” often become a grey areas. If their relationship has soured enough, Josh has options…just might take some time to execute on them.

frankly, another season like this one (lower half of Big ten, out in 1st round) is probably enough ammo.
 
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sacraig

The desert
he needs justifiable cause.
not just because he hasnt gotten us to a S16 , or because he kicks the tires on coaching opportunities every March
Right but that cause doesn't need to be the sort that avoids a buyout. If underwood missed the tourney for the next two seasons, for example, that's probably plenty of cause because the fan base would be riled up and the buyout will decrease over time.

(Not saying I want any of this to happen.)
 
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sacraig

The desert
Brad's a smart guy. He's well aware of his job security here. Firing him would be an absolutely ludicrous decision. Annoying as it may be, he's going to keep his eyes on the coaching market. Can't blame the guy, he's got hand.

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He's not really got the upper hand right now either, though. I think he and Whitman have equal hands. In the end, we will probably end up right back where we thought we were a week ago, which is mostly fine.
 
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jmwillini

Tolono, IL
He could fire him now if he wanted. Coaches get fired all of the time for not living up to expectations. Not saying he would, but he could, just a matter of writing a check. We have done it before.
 
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Brad's a smart guy. He's well aware of his job security here. Firing him would be an absolutely ludicrous decision. Annoying as it may be, he's going to keep his eyes on the coaching market. Can't blame the guy, he's got hand.

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he has hand today, although he has less hand than he did a year ago. Let's say he goes 9-11 next year and misses the tourney, he's all of a sudden in a much more precarious position
 
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DReq

Always Illini
Central Illinois
It seems to me that those who suggest firing BU seem not to account for the fact that it costs money to fire someone under contract. On the other hand, if he finds a nice shiny new job (and I have no knowledge of whether he will or wants to) he, or his shiny new employer, will pay us something north of $9,000,000 and even in the big money world of NCAA sports that is not an insignificant amount. It would at least go a long way to setting up a proper replacement.

That said, I hope BU stays and gathers a Natty. Or three.
 
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he has hand today, although he has less hand than he did a year ago. Let's say he goes 9-11 next year and misses the tourney, he's all of a sudden in a much more precarious position
Are you predicting something horrible happens again next year, and we only have a 20 game basketball season?
 
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More The burbs or Chicagoland versus downstate. No?
Yeah, suburban and especially exurban Chicago shouldn't be lumped in with Chicago. I'd make the argument that those two places are more culturally and politically at odds than Chicago and downstate proper are in a number of ways.
 
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