Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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There are plenty of coaches in professional and amateur sports, some of whom are significantly more accomplished than Brad, that employ a different approach.

I understand that people will disagree, but I thought the incident with Epps was gross and I would totally understand if someone wanted to play for a different type of coach. I suspect that if a prospect has a problem with Brads “demeanor” it has much more to do with incidents such as this and not because they can’t handle an occasional stern talk.

I agree with much of what you say.
That said, I like BU. He’s done a terrific job rebuilding the program.
I would like to see a better offensive structure.
I would like to see more success in the tournament. We all would.
Equally as important, I would like to see Brad have better control of his emotions and not mother-f’ing players on the sidelines.
I cannot imagine someone talking to my children in that fashion. There’s a place for tough love and sometimes yelling at someone.
The m-f’ing crosses the line in my mind.
However, it’s irrefutable that Brad completely loses control far too often. Tough to model the mental aspect of the game when one cannot control their own emotions.
Regardless, public humiliation is never the answer.
It’s gross and it’s not appropriate in any situation to humiliate, intimidate, or berate the players.
(I might add, the fart sounds and the like make him look like a fool.)
On a side note….I would guess that JW has had these same discussions with BU.
This is a public University and don’t think for a minute that “anything goes” because it’s a basketball coach.

Side note: It’s ok if the majority of Loyalty disagrees. I welcome all opinions that are presented in a respectful way.
 
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Maybe it’s because I’ve work in enough kitchens with psychopathic chefs who think they are Gordon Ramsay, but there are other ways to lead people besides just using yelling as the primary form of motivation.

There are plenty of coaches in professional and amateur sports, some of whom are significantly more accomplished than Brad, that employ a different approach.

I understand that people will disagree, but I thought the incident with Epps was gross and I would totally understand if someone wanted to play for a different type of coach. I suspect that if a prospect has a problem with Brads “demeanor” it has much more to do with incidents such as this and not because they can’t handle an occasional stern talk.
Professional sports yes. The athletes are paid to do what they do best. The coaches in these situations are there to put them in the right places, and are not developing talent any longer…highly successful amateur coaches, maybe a handful, and none that immediately come to mind as someone I would want to lead Illinois or my own kids for that matter.

Maybe I missed the Epps incident you speak of. Because nothing immediately jumps out at me as gross. Did he yell at him, yes, but I my assumption was he is trying to give him the keys to run the offense and execution was not up to his expectation. I would argue that BU has a decent handle on who he could do that to. You can’t tell me he didn’t chew some butt on Frazier, Kofi, Ayo, and DW. And while post season success maybe wasn’t their regular season was.

This season, after the first of the year to me anyway, he appeared to be much calmer with certain guys (I.e. MM). I would guess it’s because he saw that MM didn’t respond, or was a lost cause for lack of a better term.

Growing up an athlete (and I was fortunate enough to play some high level sports) I was always told (even in junior high and still wholeheartedly believe it) that “if I’m not on your butt then I a) don’t think you can do it, or b) am done with you.
 
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Please elaborate on the meaning of BU demeanor? I mean it’s pretty clear and has been stated multiple times on here that people have a problem with mean ol’ Brad yelling, so just by conjecture alone one would assume this is your perception as well.

I will say again, if you don’t want yelled at there are 3 options:
1: play better
2: go elsewhere
3: stop playing

It is ridiculous to think that there are coaches out there that do not yell and/or talk sternly.
It has nothing to do with his coaching style/yelling. Do you have people that you just don’t connect well with on a personal level? Was trying to be discreet but can’t let you demean a good kid by saying he can’t handle tough coaching. 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
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I agree it seemed like every time epps came off the floor coach met him, red faced and screaming and yelling, right in his face.
Let’s see, CH says some players didn’t listen to the coaches and it cost us games. Epps comes off the floor several times and hears from BU. 🤔. I’m pretty sure Epps was one of three players who weren’t listening and we saw the result in Brad’s frustration.
 
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Let’s see, CH says some players didn’t listen to the coaches and it cost us games. Epps comes off the floor several times and hears from BU. 🤔. I’m pretty sure Epps was one of three players who weren’t listening and we saw the result in Brad’s frustration.
....and yet he kept playing and BU kept starting him.
 
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It has nothing to do with his coaching style/yelling. Do you have people that you just don’t connect well with on a personal level? Was trying to be discreet but can’t let you demean a good kid by saying he can’t handle tough coaching. 🤦🏻‍♂️
I fortunately/unfortunately depending how you look at it, have a unique ability to connect with everyone on a personal level.

I am not attacking the kid or demeaning him. As I said, the biggest complaint of BU is his demeanor (most often) and you said their issues (without elaboration) were his demeanor. So 2+2=4. Or I guess in this instance 2+2=duck because I must have missed the boat
 
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Sencire, Ty, CoHawk, TSJ were options, albeit not great ones, but neither is a PG who won't listen. Sit him and let someone else try. If you are losing because of it what is the worst that can happen? Instead, Brad resorted to "MFing" him and marching him right back out there. It didn't work.
 
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Sencire, Ty, CoHawk, TSJ were options, albeit not great ones, but neither is a PG who won't listen. Sit him and let someone else try. If you are losing because of it what is the worst that can happen? Instead, Brad resorted to "MFing" him and marching him right back out there. It didn't work.
This is what you do when trying to develop your guy. You trying to tell me he did not MF any of those guys. Think the primary difference is there are guys that can take a chewing and not see it as a personal attack and then there are those who are pillow soft when it comes to this
 
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This is what you do when trying to develop your guy. You trying to tell me he did not MF any of those guys. Think the primary difference is there are guys that can take a chewing and not see it as a personal attack and then there are those who are pillow soft when it comes to this
There was a book I read, in which the author talked of working with the Israeli Air Force on training techniques. One thing the author noticed was that the instructors would yell at the pilots they were training, especially if they had a notably bad showing. The instructors said their yelling worked, because the pilots who messed up got better next time.

In actuality, what was happening was "regression to the mean," where performance on any given trial tends to follow the curve of improvement (the mean), but there are occasional outliers. But an outlier, almost by definition, is likely to be a one-time event, and the next trial will return (or regress) to the mean of performance at that point. Even if the instructors had said nothing, performance would have improved.

I wouldn't be surprised if some coaches, came from that same school: You have to be hard or people don't do better when in reality they get better through practice, not being yelled at.

It’s can be easy to identify “success”, but it feels like humans have a really hard time understanding what parts of that process actually are important which leads to a constant parade of correlation causation fallacies.
 
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I fortunately/unfortunately depending how you look at it, have a unique ability to connect with everyone on a personal level.

I am not attacking the kid or demeaning him. As I said, the biggest complaint of BU is his demeanor (most often) and you said their issues (without elaboration) were his demeanor. So 2+2=4. Or I guess in this instance 2+2=duck because I must have missed the boat
Based on this interaction, I doubt “everyone” would agree with your self-observation that you can connect with everyone.
 
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This is what you do when trying to develop your guy. You trying to tell me he did not MF any of those guys. Think the primary difference is there are guys that can take a chewing and not see it as a personal attack and then there are those who are pillow soft when it comes to this
Let me ask you a question, did he yell and scream at TS when he had five turnovers in the first half against Purdue which put the team in a deep hole and that wasn't the only game that he made stupid mistakes which cost the team
 
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Let me ask you a question, did he yell and scream at TS when he had five turnovers in the first half against Purdue which put the team in a deep hole and that wasn't the only game that he made stupid mistakes which cost the team
Unfortunately I cannot remember if he yelled at him or not because I have no issues with it. I’m willing to gamble with a deep dive into video there are multiple instances of BU chewing each player. The unfortunate reality for us was that Shannon was our best scorer period so unless there were foul issues he was going to be in. I don’t disagree the he should have had a butt chewing though
 
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Sencire, Ty, CoHawk, TSJ were options, albeit not great ones, but neither is a PG who won't listen. Sit him and let someone else try. If you are losing because of it what is the worst that can happen? Instead, Brad resorted to "MFing" him and marching him right back out there. It didn't work.
None of them is remotely close to a PG. Epps is the closest thing we had. You're screwed w/o solid PG play, which was a huge part of our "problem" this year.
 
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Wow….I think we get it. Some people don’t like a disciplinarian for a coach. Please for the love of god just stop! I learned life skills from a disciplinarian coach that I will never forget and still use years later. If Epps isn’t tough enough to take it and understand that Brad is trying to develop him into a better player/person then so be it. Next!!!
 
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