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#551      
I'm going to respectfully disagree. Since I live in B-N, I've watched ISU play many times. Lieb would be, IMO, in over his head in the MVC and probably wouldn't get many minutes. I'll stand by my original claim that he would be best located in a strong D3 league. There's no shame in that, there are many outstanding teams and players at that level.
I think that he could probably start for a low to mid major school. I put the MVC in higher regard than a standard mid major conference. They have legitimately good teams coming out of there that are capable of beating high D1 teams.

There's no reason why he couldn't get immediate and extensive playing time(starters minutes) at a Vermont, Bucknell, Lehigh, Davidson type of school. When he got in the game last year, he provided a decent couple of minutes. He definitely didn't embarrass himself.
 
#552      
I think that he could probably start for a low to mid major school. I put the MVC in higher regard than a standard mid major conference. They have legitimately good teams coming out of there that are capable of beating high D1 teams.

There's no reason why he couldn't get immediate and extensive playing time(starters minutes) at a Vermont, Bucknell, Lehigh, Davidson type of school. When he got in the game last year, he provided a decent couple of minutes. He definitely didn't embarrass himself.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. There are worse things in life.
 
#553      
If Hamlin can play at EIU and decent, Lieb can play MAC and MVC. IMO, he has put on muscle, toughness, attitude, etc.. Going up against one of my all time favorites Kofi will do that. Even Dainja withe size, strength, and foot work. I think BLieb can be very valuable in a different conference. Not world beater, but valuable. May surprise all of us?
 
#561      

Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
My issue with your take(which isn't necessarily wrong) is that the leaders on his teams are literally coming out in defense of him.

TSJ is saying that guys aren't listening and running plays, CH is saying that he wants to see older/more mature guys on the team...CH went on record, in public, saying that they deserved everything they got. Heck, even DGL, as a HS senior and Morez as a High School Junior have publicly embraced the BU's approach. Meanwhile, we have professors from other schools and former walk ons trying to fuel the fire and CH put both of them in their place. We(fans) are not privy to what happens on the bench, in practice, the father/son approach that BU has with his guys...we don't know. We guess. His players know and are speaking out.

Secondly, these aren't "kids". These are young men and from what I see...these young men are speaking up. Thinking the outsiders should listen.
I would also disagree with OP's
In no other setting would it EVER be acceptable to yell the things coaches yell at 18 year old kids.

The military comes immediately to mind, and in both cases (team sports and the military) it's necessary for young people to execute at a very high level, under intense pressure, to find success.

Pressure creates diamonds, and all that, but this society's going softer than Dary's birthday party.
 
#562      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
2017-18
Prior Assistant Years Coaching for BU: Zero
(0: Antigua, Chin, Walker)
Prior Player Years Playing for Underwood: Zero
(0: Everybody)
Big Ten Record: 4-14

2018-19

Prior Assistant Years Coaching for BU: 3
(1: Antigua, Chin, Walker)
Prior Player Years Playing for BU: 4
(1: Jordan, Nichols, Frazier, DaMonte)
Big Ten Record: 7-13

2019-20

Prior Assistant Years Coaching for BU: 8
(4: Gentry, 2: Antigua, Chin)
Prior Player Years Playing for BU: 11
(2: Nichols, Frazier, DaMonte, 1: Ayo, Giorgi, Feliz, Griffin, Jones)
Big Ten Record: 13-7

2020-21

Prior Assistant Years Coaching for BU: 11
(5: Gentry, 3: Antigua, Chin)
Prior Player Years Playing for BU: 12
(3: Frazier, DaMonte, 2: Ayo, Giorgi, 1: Kofi, Hamlin)
Big Ten Record: 16-4

2021-22

Prior Assistant Years Coaching for BU: 7
(7: Alexander, 0: Frazier, Anderson)
Prior Player Years Playing for BU: 15
(4: Frazier, DaMonte, 2: Kofi, 1: Curbelo, Hawkins, Grandison, BBV, Lieb)
Big Ten Record: 15-5

2022-23

Prior Assistant Years Coaching for BU: 10
(8: Alexander, 1: Frazier, Anderson)
Prior Player Years Playing for BU: 6
(2: Hawkins, Lieb, 1: Melendez, Goode)
Big Ten Record: 11-9

(Methodological note: only players who actually took the court on scholarship count. So no Tyler, no Hutch, etc)

It feels pretty intuitive that having a group that's experienced working with Underwood and really understanding his methods counts for a lot. And I feel like this helps frame some of the decisions coming up. We have 5 player-years locked in (Goode 2, Dainja Harris and Rodgers 1), but if that's all and we're bouncing Alexander from the staff? I think there would be ample cause for some nervousness there, even if all the new entries into the program are superficially promising.
 
#567      
Mr. Michigan is in the Transfer Portal?? I thought Michigan was the end all be all. I think that is just hilarious. Juwan must not be all he’s cracked up to be?? Would love to hear his reasons? And no he is a hard pass.
 
#568      

Goillinikobd

Southeastern US
Mr. Michigan is in the Transfer Portal?? I thought Michigan was the end all be all. I think that is just hilarious. Juwan must not be all he’s cracked up to be?? Would love to hear his reasons? And no he is a hard pass.
Well, we all have opinions, but no real power. Come on, if Hunter strapped on the O and B, you would root for him, right, right ?
 
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Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
Well, we all have opinions, but no real power. Come on, if Hunter strapped on the O and B, you would root for him, right, right ?
 
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