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#526      
WRT Edgar Padilla
-- How could he have been robbed of thousands of dollars?
--He was a walk on who played in 5 games and transferred out after 1 season.
--the 20/21 Illini team was not B10 regular season champions, the B10 declared Michigan the B10 champs. I don't think team got rings but I could be wrong.

Honestly the nature of the rant, it makes me a little concerned for his mental state. I hope he is well, seriously.
 
#527      
It was reported that Oscar Tshiebwe earned $2.75M this year at Kentucky, though that's the absolute high end for an NPOY type player at an elite program. Reports were that Kofi was offered something like $1M to stay.
If I was Kofi and was offered $1m NIL I would have played one more season at Illinois.

The Japan Professional Basketball League, or for short Japan B League has made big improvements to it’s competition. A merger in 2016 between two Japanese leagues brought on by Fiba mandates, has turned the newer league into a profitable and growing business. Which in turn improves the B League player’s salaries. Local Japanese players saw an increase in their salaries to an average salary of $147k USD, with the players that compete in the Japanese National Team making on average $417k USD in the B League for the 2018/19 season.Currently, the highest-paid Japanese player, Yuki Togash, is making just a hair under $1 million USD. This brings us to the import players which like most leagues have a different bracket. You can expect to see higher level import players in Japan making $1 million USD or more for a season. An average import salary in the Japanese B1 would be more in the radius of $120k-300k USD per season. Living expenses are expensive in Japan, but players don’t need to worry about that as teams usually cover those expenses.

League roster- Kofi and Jack Cooley (blast from the past recruit) were the only people I recognized
 
#528      
NBA physical-talent HAS never been better (overall). But the game as played on the court has suffered since the years the Bulls were winning titles.

If someone likes scores in the 140s and no defense... that's fine. But the floor game is out of balance towards offense. And some of us can see that.

NBA teams of today would routinely beat NBA teams from years ago. That's pretty much a given (overall). But that doesn't mean that today's NBA is playing a better and more watchable style of basketball.

And college basketball is better than ever in terms of player talent. It's just got greater overall team balance among the Top 50.
The NBA players that are all physical specimens all have had injuries. According to NBA policy you are allowed to take 500mg of steroid rated substances/week to aid in recovery as long as you test clean upon return. Add that with a little HGH and Lieb could also look like Giannis.
 
#529      
He belongs in a D3 league like the CCIW. He would do well at Carthage, Wheaton, Illinois Wesleyan or Millikin. I don't believe he would be dominant, but successful. NIL money? I have no clue.
Lieb will land at a much higher level than D3. D3 is for kids whose families are willing to pay $15K a year after scholarship for them to play college sports. He can get starter minutes at a number of lower half D1 schools who need size. He's been practicing against Kofi and Dainja.
 
#530      
Kofi Japan stats 20 ppg 12 rbg 2 apg 1 bpg. His team is terrible 5-40. They have 16 more games to go. If Kofi had come back I am confident Illinois wins 25 games and contends for B10 title again.

 
#531      
WRT Edgar Padilla
-- How could he have been robbed of thousands of dollars?
--He was a walk on who played in 5 games and transferred out after 1 season.
--the 20/21 Illini team was not B10 regular season champions, the B10 declared Michigan the B10 champs. I don't think team got rings but I could be wrong.

Haha! In regards to Padilla, he was so influential that I did not even realize he left.
 
#532      
I had Scanlon for Classical Civ and Gotheil for Econ 101 my freshman year. Very entertaining classes. Much more fun than my boring math, physics, chemistry classes I was taking for my Elec Engineering degree.

Never met the guy, but I’m entertained by the thought of Apollo and other Greek gods weighing in on the fate of the Illini. 😂
 
#533      
Not necessarily. College sports is an ugly business with a seedy underbelly.

Simon Cvijanovic was an attention-seeking and wildly self-interested party and not everything he said was true. The initial reaction to his comments were eye rolls too. And what happened as a result of that only happened because consequences for leadership suited the goals of those in power.

I'm not even really sure who Padilla is accusing of what exactly, but I'm sorry to hear about his negative experience. We should all want Illini athletes to look more fondly on their time here than that. Walk-ons give the program a lot more than they get.
No, we shouldn’t take any of this truthfully. We should drag him for sneaking his girlfriend into the apartments, during COVID, putting everyone at risk.

We should drag him for being a walk-on and not every team function/dinner etc involves the walk-ons.

We should drag him for getting kicked off the team and leaving all his stuff in his room.

We should drag him for NEVER bringing this up until now when he thinks he can try and get about 3 minutes of fame.
 
#534      
Go look at his twitter when he was here...he was loving it. No one took anything out of his room. NCAA limited number of people at the turney that year. No NIL then so I'm not even sure what he is saying with the robbed of thousands of dollars when he was here.
He states they packed up his room. Said come get your crap. I am assuming he's stating he Had Money in his living space and it was stolen. My take, IMO. I'm not going to spend any more time on junk like this. Coach Underwood and staff are hard at work on bringing us a title next season. Illini loyal!
 
#535      
Hope you’re right, I could see some NBA scouts falling in love with his skill set. I’m more worried about him than TJ
not if they've watched a whole game or multiple ones. the highlight film might be pretty exciting though..
 
#537      

Epsilon

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Pdx
I was going to set up a new shell thread to ask Dan to push all the posts and debate about yelling coaches into, but I seem to have lost my privileges for creating new discussion threads.

Dan, could you please set up a new thread for that discussion to help keep this thread on topic? Much appreciated.
 
#539      
I was going to set up a new shell thread to ask Dan to push all the posts and debate about yelling coaches into, but I seem to have lost my privileges for creating new discussion threads.

Dan, could you please set up a new thread for that discussion to help keep this thread on topic? Much appreciated.
Maybe just stop bringing it up instead?
 
#540      

MustangWally

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If I was Kofi and was offered $1m NIL I would have played one more season at Illinois.

The Japan Professional Basketball League, or for short Japan B League has made big improvements to it’s competition. A merger in 2016 between two Japanese leagues brought on by Fiba mandates, has turned the newer league into a profitable and growing business. Which in turn improves the B League player’s salaries. Local Japanese players saw an increase in their salaries to an average salary of $147k USD, with the players that compete in the Japanese National Team making on average $417k USD in the B League for the 2018/19 season.Currently, the highest-paid Japanese player, Yuki Togash, is making just a hair under $1 million USD. This brings us to the import players which like most leagues have a different bracket. You can expect to see higher level import players in Japan making $1 million USD or more for a season. An average import salary in the Japanese B1 would be more in the radius of $120k-300k USD per season. Living expenses are expensive in Japan, but players don’t need to worry about that as teams usually cover those expenses.

League roster- Kofi and Jack Cooley (blast from the past recruit) were the only people I recognized

You missed Cameron Krutwig.
 
#541      

Epsilon

M tipping over
Pdx
Maybe just stop bringing it up instead?
Cracks Me Up Steve Harvey GIF by ABC Network
 
#542      
The screaming heads on twitter have driven me away. I had a handful of
follows like a few comedians, coaches and players but I had to stop.
 
#543      
I'm not here to defend or oppose Underwood, but the condescension some have towards a portion of the fanbase for being critical of Underwood's coaching style is perpetuating a problem. I know full well that Underwood is not an exception to the rule with his yelling, cursing, and name calling from the sideline. But there lies the problem.. In no other setting would it EVER be acceptable to yell the things coaches yell at 18 year old kids. Not to your coworkers, boss, friends, children, shoot, even your dog. To me, the fact that it's socially acceptable for a coach to call a player explicit names and verbally berate them in practice or live television in 2023 is sad. I'm all for accountability, toughness, shoot, even constructive yelling. I've coached for many years and NEVER, I repeat NEVER called my players names. I may say something like "on that play you gave minimal effort, that was lazy defense and it is unacceptable." You can be a tough coach, that demands the best out of your athletes without belittling them as humans. That's not soft, it's truth. Maybe it's a reflection of a change that is needed in the college athletic coaching.
My issue with your take(which isn't necessarily wrong) is that the leaders on his teams are literally coming out in defense of him.

TSJ is saying that guys aren't listening and running plays, CH is saying that he wants to see older/more mature guys on the team...CH went on record, in public, saying that they deserved everything they got. Heck, even DGL, as a HS senior and Morez as a High School Junior have publicly embraced the BU's approach. Meanwhile, we have professors from other schools and former walk ons trying to fuel the fire and CH put both of them in their place. We(fans) are not privy to what happens on the bench, in practice, the father/son approach that BU has with his guys...we don't know. We guess. His players know and are speaking out.

Secondly, these aren't "kids". These are young men and from what I see...these young men are speaking up. Thinking the outsiders should listen.
 
#544      
I was going to set up a new shell thread to ask Dan to push all the posts and debate about yelling coaches into, but I seem to have lost my privileges for creating new discussion threads.

Dan, could you please set up a new thread for that discussion to help keep this thread on topic? Much appreciated.
I can understand your point, that said....this stuff has gone public(Padilla and some obscure professor). CH has engaged. It's a hot news topic and has more life then recruiting rumors right now. Once the rumors start coming out and recruiting comes to life, there will be a shift.
 
#546      
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1. I liked him before, Ilbut this stuff is really making me want Coleman Hawkins back
2. I love this for all the “he yells hurtful things crowd”
I have never been a Hawkins cheerleader. Overrated, whining on every single call every game, poor shots from 25ft, horrible free throw shooting, passing ball from 1 side of court to other = turnovers fast breaks for other team. 😆 🤣
Well, about game 20 this year Coleman started taking it to the rim with authority, phenomenal defensive plays, he even quit launching tons of 3's, he became more vocal with his teammates. The man still has quite a few holes to fix. He is doing it and he his saying all the right things! I am now a CoHawk fan.
Finally, by the way, Coleman probably has at minimum 5 commercials he is in. Very good at also, IMO.. He's making great 🪙 💰 and it will only go up with him coming back and the efforts of the NIL team. Keep it up, Mr. HAWKINS and best of luck through the NBA process.
 
#547      
Lieb will land at a much higher level than D3. D3 is for kids whose families are willing to pay $15K a year after scholarship for them to play college sports. He can get starter minutes at a number of lower half D1 schools who need size. He's been practicing against Kofi and Dainja.
I have to wonder how much D3 you've watched. Your characterization of that level of basketball is the standard misconception. In the strong conferences, like the CCIW, it's not especially unusual to find players who would succeed in D1. My basis for saying this is many, many yrs. watching games at Illinois Wesleyan's Shirk Center. I've seen quite a few guys who would succeed in D1. It was many years ago that IWU beat Arizona at Arizona. I have seen exhibition games when IWU beat ISU.
 
#548      
I think he has enough ability to play in the MAC. He is fundamentally solid and his size will be a plus.
I'm going to respectfully disagree. Since I live in B-N, I've watched ISU play many times. Lieb would be, IMO, in over his head in the MVC and probably wouldn't get many minutes. I'll stand by my original claim that he would be best located in a strong D3 league. There's no shame in that, there are many outstanding teams and players at that level.
 
#550      
My issue with your take(which isn't necessarily wrong) is that the leaders on his teams are literally coming out in defense of him.

TSJ is saying that guys aren't listening and running plays, CH is saying that he wants to see older/more mature guys on the team...CH went on record, in public, saying that they deserved everything they got. Heck, even DGL, as a HS senior and Morez as a High School Junior have publicly embraced the BU's approach. Meanwhile, we have professors from other schools and former walk ons trying to fuel the fire and CH put both of them in their place. We(fans) are not privy to what happens on the bench, in practice, the father/son approach that BU has with his guys...we don't know. We guess. His players know and are speaking out.

Secondly, these aren't "kids". These are young men and from what I see...these young men are speaking up. Thinking the outsiders should listen.
I would also state that these “kids have got what they wanted” They are now paid athletes that also get paid for their image and likeness being used. With that comes frankness and yelling about your job performance. Also these coaches don’t have time to take you aside to counsel in private all of the time and “sometimes you have to strike while the iron is hot”! Being gentle and caring in your approach is unfortunately not how the real world works in a lot of occasions.
 
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