Northwestern has fired coach Pat Fitzgerald

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Just out of curiosity for president, I looked up ways teams have been given the death penalty by the NCAA. This snippet was interesting

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Illini in Italy

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BashCtIllini said:
well I personally have no problem with hazing, within reason. I see nothing wrong with making the new guys pay their dues. It tends to end up bonding people together. That is a big part of basic training, put a group of people through torture together to bond them (yes I know there is more to it from a military perspective). And I think basic training type of hazing is more or less fine.

It's the naked crap that gets me. Ok maybe you have one thing that embarrasses the guys like they've got to streak the quad or something. But there are a heck of a lot of naked hazing activities there at Northwestern. I would assume that has to be relatively rare. In my experience, guys aren't too fond of being naked around each other. Which is what makes this so weird. Streaking the quad funny, dry humping your teammate wtf?
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That's one perspective, albeit an Outsider's view. Nothing about basic training is "torture", nor is any "hazing" delivered by fellow trainees, such as described in most college hazing incidents. The very concept of basic training (beyond the physical conditioning) is to tear away the mindset of being an individual and install one of being a member of team that depends 100% on one another. I believe it was John Groce who had the basketball team participate in a "Navy SEAL - lite) camp during his tenure trying to build that same team mentality.
 
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Chukwuwumba

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IlliniTarHeel said:
Why would any school reach out to the players about transferring unless it was a freshman. The upper class players either participated in the hazing or were silent about the fact that it was happening. Either way you can't bring those players into your program in my opinion.
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AJ Henning was my first thought. Probably any new transfers from this past year…especially if coaching change and players eligible right away. And the recruiting class which I think someone else mentioned.

Everyone will assume that anyone who plays and was part of team last year, was a part of hazing. Certainly they wouldn’t want to be associated with that, whether part of it or not. Mass transfers I would think but idk.
 
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OnlyOrange

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Would be a game changer if it can be corroborated. Like this guy has an agenda/hates Fitz.

As you said...could be quite a few days.
Illinivek23 said:
The Monday morning news spin cycle is saying this former play/whistleblower told a teammate he was intent on getting Fitz fired. Gonna be an interesting day
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altgeld88

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Illinivek23 said:
The Monday morning news spin cycle is saying this former play/whistleblower told a teammate he was intent on getting Fitz fired. Gonna be an interesting day
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Because of general spite or because of what he purportedly endured via the hazing? That makes a difference.

In any event, it seems to me that his intent toward Fitz doesn't matter. All that matters is substantiating what occurred, whether it was ongoing and (worse) systematic, and what Fitz's ultimate responsibility for this sort of thing is.

As others have noted, it's normal for nearly all former players to circle the wagons on this. If they didn't directly participate in the brutality (and it actually occurred), they acquiesced to it and have lived in silence about it since. Seems psychologically predictable to attempt to kill the messenger who reminds you that you stood by time and again, said/did nothing, and have maintained that status quo, perhaps for a decade or more.

"He's a bitter malcontent" is a quick, cowardly way of marginalizing someone who breaks a conspiracy of silence concerning something shameful.
 
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Navy_illini said:
You need to know was it a culture or a one time thing
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By now it’s been shown to be their culture, occurring many times over many years.

How does revealing this stuff affect recruiting? Are athletes drawn to or repelled by it? I‘d guess it appears pretty repulsive, a bunch of losers abusing each other in the locker room in order to feel superior despite their crummy performance on the field. How can they attract talent without cleaning house? Come clean publicly, fire all leaders who knew (or should have known) about it, hire new staff, and build a professional culture on the rubble.
 
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Illinivek23 said:
The Monday morning news spin cycle is saying this former play/whistleblower told a teammate he was intent on getting Fitz fired. Gonna be an interesting day
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Absolutely nothing wrong with what that ex-player wants if the article in their student paper is even half true. Coaching staff seemed to set themselves up for this by allowing players to implement “discipline” unsupervised. The built in deniability of the coaches is at best suspect. The issue with hazing is that while it may start out as “innocent” team building/bonding, escalations over the years or towards individuals are bound to occur. As the hazing seemed institutionalized, the coaching staff owns the responsibility for how it went down as much as the performance on the field.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

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they will need more than one player on the record to corroborate all this - that should not be difficult
 
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OskieWowWow

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Jeff J mentioned that several Illini commit families were told NW was a sinking ship. Didn't see it capsizing this fast
 
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Dkayak

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OskieWowWow said:
Jeff J mentioned that several Illini commit families were told NW was a sinking ship. Didn't see it capsizing this fast
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Aggressive damage control might save it. Denial and half measures will not.
 
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Shane Walsh

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Cynthiana, Kentucky
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Over / Under 250...... How many freedom of information requests has Northwestern gotten for that independent investigation report already this morning?
 
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PattyOBryant

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The truth of all things is usually somewhere in the middle. The internet is cool because we get to discuss this stuff in real-time as the information comes out.

There have certainly been many modern day examples of public pitchforks turned towards individuals that turned out not to be true (the Duke LaCrosse case comes to my mind first.)

We will know more in the coming days. At this point it is hearsay and conjecture. Nothing wrong with that, it's why places like this board exist and are popular.
 
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pruman91

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Paducah, Ky
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altgeld88 said:
Because of general spite or because of what he purportedly endured via the hazing? That makes a difference.

In any event, it seems to me that his intent toward Fitz doesn't matter. All that matters is substantiating what occurred, whether it was ongoing and (worse) systematic, and what Fitz's ultimate responsibility for this sort of thing is.

As others have noted, it's normal for nearly all former players to circle the wagons on this. If they didn't directly participate in the brutality (and it actually occurred), they acquiesced to it and have lived in silence about it since. Seems psychologically predictable to attempt to kill the messenger who reminds you that you stood by time and again, said/did nothing, and have maintained that status quo, perhaps for a decade or more.

"He's a bitter malcontent" is a quick, cowardly way of marginalizing someone who breaks a conspiracy of silence concerning something shameful.
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lstewart53x3

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PattyOBryant said:
The truth of all things is usually somewhere in the middle. The internet is cool because we get to discuss this stuff in real-time as the information comes out.

There have certainly been many modern day examples of public pitchforks turned towards individuals that turned out not to be true (the Duke LaCrosse case comes to my mind first.)

We will know more in the coming days. At this point it is hearsay and conjecture. Nothing wrong with that, it's why places like this board exist and are popular.
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Don't take this as anything more than a smarta$s trying to be funny, but I wasn't aware that Duke had a scandal related to Buicks? Was that like the Illini's old Chevy Blazer connection?
 
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Mr. Tibbs

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Fitz can’t & won’t survive as NU coach with this .
His days in college football are done . His only future football jobs are in one of the pro leagues .

fwiw, his star had sunk anyway . doubtful that team was any good this coming year anyway , and they might have been forced to fire him in November .

who can they get to take that job ? even on a one year deal ?
 
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