Northwestern has fired coach Pat Fitzgerald
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Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
you either have a culture that
a. encourages sophmoric hazing and players acting like muscled up 14 year olds
or
b. discourages and even prevents such activity
its just about impossible to be just neutral on this, as a coach and staff that is
as someone else earlier said, pretending to be ignorant of it is just as damning of your overall control of the program as promoting it is
a. encourages sophmoric hazing and players acting like muscled up 14 year olds
or
b. discourages and even prevents such activity
its just about impossible to be just neutral on this, as a coach and staff that is
as someone else earlier said, pretending to be ignorant of it is just as damning of your overall control of the program as promoting it is
Agreed. Ignorance isn’t an excuse when it’s your job to know.
He‘s either complicit, indifferent, or incompetent.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
I am with you on this
my opinion : this whole weekend his lawyers are negotiating an exit and NU is tryingn to figure out who they can get at this late hour to at least get them thru the year as we did with Cubit in August 2015
This is a much more like a Ped State deal. Not quite, but close. Bigger deal than a slap or DUI (where there was no injuries or worse).
Yep, If this actually exists he's in deep trouble.
Initiation rituals always devolve into hazing if they are allowed to go on for any length of time. The sadists always work their way up the ladder to be the initiators to the initiated. Things always go down from there.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
there is a real good chance this issue at NW cripples them for years just as the slush fund issue in 1966-1967 did with us for years afterwards
the odds of them being able to successfully get through this with or without Fitz and/or a new coach are about 500-1 against
the odds of them being able to successfully get through this with or without Fitz and/or a new coach are about 500-1 against
Agree 100%! For players to think Fitz signaled or condoned it says a lot.
Why are they always naked? what the hell is wrong with these guys?
Culture becomes bigger than the human aspect.
In situations like this I refer to Lord of the Flies
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
because it maximizes the embarrassment and humility . its not rocket science how to make sure the rookie/frosh is totally humiliated, especially in a locker room setting vs on the field or in a class room
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
I disagree completely. West Virginia and Michigan do not have the Chicago media breathing down their throats. This is not going away anytime soon, especially for a school who claims to be "Chicago's B1G team".
I remember the Beckman allegations through Chicago sports radio, and it was nonstop until he was removed (and even then the criticism of the Illini program were continued). Yes, I know 670 the Score, etc. hate the Illini, but I have little doubt that this will remain in the spotlight. In today's world, the allegations in the report will not go away. This is way worse than an "f" bomb or weak slap. Fitz is in some serious hot water, and rightfully so.
There is no way the rest of the university, who probably don't even remember they have a football team 99% of the time, are going to tolerate this kind of negative publicity IMO. This kind of thing reflects poorly on the whole school, and turns off people like my youngest sister who is a rising HS senior. Fitz had a great run but his teams haven't been good lately anyways. At best he fell asleep behind the wheel, and at worst he endorsed bullying teenagers.
Who would tolerate this culture of abuse just to go 1-11?
Who would tolerate this culture of abuse just to go 1-11?
No way these allegations are real. Have you ever heard of details like this in a hazing incident before? The details are usually kept under wraps and the masses are left wondering what really happened.
I do have to give it to them though, the creativity to come up with "naked carwash" and "naked slingshot" are hilarious concepts, lol. It's like someone who was a disgruntled player had a brainstorming with their sick friends on what ridiculous things they could make up about the football team to get them in trouble. If this was an Onion article we'd all be laughing about this instead of being outraged.
Of course if this is true, it proves the point that real life is stranger than fiction
I do have to give it to them though, the creativity to come up with "naked carwash" and "naked slingshot" are hilarious concepts, lol. It's like someone who was a disgruntled player had a brainstorming with their sick friends on what ridiculous things they could make up about the football team to get them in trouble. If this was an Onion article we'd all be laughing about this instead of being outraged.
Of course if this is true, it proves the point that real life is stranger than fiction
After seeing more come out today, Fitz won't come back from this. I am jumping to the other side of the fence.
I can tell you right now that a number of people from the Illinois program back in the early 2010s thought Simon Cvijanovic was full of it when he made his allegations. Turns out he was right on the money.
If someone is given full anonymity to speak out, and that is corroborated by other players, I don't see why you would think this is made up, especially if you have ever been a part of a football program. There are some cult-like ways that a group of 100+ get into, and they can get very extreme in retrospect.
Here’s some that are worse…
(But that might not be the case as more info comes out)
Here are several that involved……broomsticks? wth?!
(Yes,it’s HS but that makes little difference.) So sick. If 3 separate HS did this. I think it is entirely possible that “Naked Carwash “could of def. been a real thing. I’m not gonna dismiss it because it merely sounds crazy/eleborate.
It is certainly not beyond the realm of believability/possibility.
Houston, I think we have a problem.
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Illini_1979
- Oregon
"In determining an appropriate penalty for the head coach, I focused too much on what the report concluded he didn't know and not enough on what he should have known," Schill wrote. "As the head coach of one of our athletics programs, coach Fitzgerald is not only responsible for what happens within the program but also must take great care to uphold our institutional commitment to the student experience. ... Clearly, he failed to uphold that commitment, and I failed to sufficiently consider that failure in levying a sanction."
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Northwestern to reconsider Fitzgerald's discipline
Northwestern, in a letter sent late Saturday night, announced it will reconsider penalties for longtime Wildcats coach Pat Fitzgerald after new details emerged surrounding allegations of hazing in the Big Ten school's football program.
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