TSJ Thread

[Dan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741539663632834963

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741538942304858553

'Basketball must take a backseat': Whitman details Terrence Shannon Jr. suspension, what's next

Illinois athletics director Josh Whitman explained the timeline and process that triggered Illini star guard's suspension following arrest

247sports.com

 

[TheChief4Life]

I came here to say I have loved everyone’s take on all of this: insider, attorney, or just random how schmo. Right or wrong. Hot take or seriously informed. Keep posting! It’s been a very informative, and entertaining series of threads. Don’t be intimidated by anyone else to not share your thoughts.

I just wish it wasn’t in the face of such a series situation.

 

[chief_1104]

You series, Clark?

 

[DeonThomas]

 

[Illini in Italy]

 

[skyIdub]

 

[DeonThomas]

From the Douglas County, Kansas DA's web site:

https://www.douglascountyks.org/sites/default/files/2023-09/CriminalProcedureFlowchart.pdf

Without some type of intervention, it appears to be a rather lengthy legal process......

 

[pruman91]

You series, Clark?

 

[jamarvelous31]

From the Douglas County, Kansas DA's web site:

https://www.douglascountyks.org/sites/default/files/2023-09/CriminalProcedureFlowchart.pdf

Without some type of intervention, it appears to be a rather lengthy legal process......

I haven't heard that an indictment has occurred, do we know if/when that will occur?

 

[TheGMan]

I haven't heard that an indictment has occurred, do we know if/when that will occur?

Major caveat being that I don't know Kansas law. However, generally, the only difference between an indictment and a charge is that an indictment is brought by a grand jury, and a charge is brought by the prosecutor. Other than that, they operate the same way.

Again, this could be different under Kansas law, but generally speaking, a grand jury indictment is not required for state charges. Now, a prosecutor may choose to go through the grand jury for state charges for different reasons if they want. However, it is not generally required.

 

[04-05]

I haven't heard that an indictment has occurred, do we know if/when that will occur?

Agreed with theGman. Kansas law unfortunately doesn’t require a grand jury so we may never seen an indictment. Instead there will likely be a preliminary hearing where the judge will determine if there is sufficient evidence to go forward. In my experience working with the courts, I’ve never seen a case be dismissed at the preliminary hearing. For what that’s worth. Not impossible, just very rare.

 

[coryfor3]

Major caveat being that I don't know Kansas law. However, generally, the only difference between an indictment and a charge is that an indictment is brought by a grand jury, and a charge is brought by the prosecutor. Other than that, they operate the same way.

Again, this could be different under Kansas law, but generally speaking, a grand jury indictment is not required for state charges. Now, a prosecutor may choose to go through the grand jury for state charges for different reasons if they want. However, it is not generally required.

There will be a preliminary hearing conduct or a grand jury indictment based on the prosecutor's charges. Either the grand jury or a judge makes a finding of probable cause for the charges. If a grand jury indicts, there is no need for a preliminary hearing. If a grand jury is not used, a preliminary hearing is held.

 

[STLini25]

Regarding questions on the timeline of the court, almost nothing will happen prior to March. A court resolution would be significantly past March. The only way this gets resolved during basketball season is outside the courts with the parties negotiating a settlement.

 

[LvilleILL]

 

[NorthShoreIllini]

Care to share a little more???

 

[BackThatPassUp]

Agreed with theGman. Kansas law unfortunately doesn’t require a grand jury so we may never seen an indictment. Instead there will likely be a preliminary hearing where the judge will determine if there is sufficient evidence to go forward. In my experience working with the courts, I’ve never seen a case be dismissed at the preliminary hearing. For what that’s worth. Not impossible, just very rare.

But in this instance, a preliminary is better because at least the defense can cross. I would have more faith in a judge (particularly a veteran) throwing out a charge at a preliminary versus a grand jury.

 

[LvilleILL]

Hearing from a legit source that the Shannon side feels really good and this could be done somewhat soon. Will keep checking/updating

 

[illinifan1987]

 

[State of Chicago]

Hearing from a legit source that the Shannon side feels really good and this could be done somewhat soon. Will keep checking/updating

Soon enough for me to wear my Shannon jersey to the game tonight?

 

[chiefini]

Oh, boy. I’m not sure how to take this. Like the Undertaker, TSJ is coming back to life and rising to get back into playing for the Illini? (I hope).

Edit: I see @LvilleILL’s latest post, and I think I might be correct in my assessment…

 

[NarrowJ]

I continue to be both utterly amazed and also completely baffled at this entire situation.

 

[Fighter of the Nightman]

Hearing from a legit source that the Shannon side feels really good and this could be done somewhat soon. Will keep checking/updating

 

[FinallyMadeAnAccount]

Of course I want Shannon back for basketball reasons, but I really hope if (maybe when based on the insiders) he's back, the public will know of his innocence. I don't want an asterisk or bad publicity toward the university like Alabama had last year.

 

[IlliniCaboose]

 

[Bigtex]

first and probably only post on the topic. Wow what a 5 day ride. Sad is the best word that expresses my feelings but cautiously optimist that TSJ is able to return to the team.