People can throw anything they want but by rule, it has to be from at least 25 feet away.
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and a step back.
At this point we can't say they've done either. To date what they've done is good, they have to do their due diligence.
But if these charges are dropped or the trial in a year is a joke and they never reinstated TSJ, Illinois will be in for a world of hurt.
I read it the same way.
sacraig
- The desert
I want to go back as a long time lurker. I have no inside information just some experience and a large and mostly well tuned nose. This is how this goes. A crime or alleged crime occurs. You have the police on the scene, sometimes and then it goes to the detective division. The detective meets with the prosecutor. The prosecutor says good job, we have a smoking gun, this is a slam dunk. Charges get filed. Now, not months later. Or, the prosecutor says hold the phone,sorry showing my age. A good defense lawyer can poke holes in this. Here is the evidence we need before I file. Go get it for me. Now some big cities have an investigative arm attached to the prosecutors office. Normally you rely on the police. So time relapses and no new evidence. No smoking gun. The case goes into the abyss. Normally they stay there. To get out of the depths they have to be pushed. Could be the police. Maybe the lead detective has a fixation. Possible but alleged lewd behavior in a college town with drinking on a credibility case? It is not the police. Maybe Shannon. Not as crazy as it sounds. I have heard reports he gave an interview to the police. If you think he was there with the Holy Ghost you are mistaken. His lawyer was there. So a strategy is they do not have enough I want a decision. I am not going to have this hanging over his head until the statute runs. A risky strategy,, they could file. Most defense lawyers would rather it stay in the abyss. And behind door number 3 is the alleged victim. They push. Now maybe they feel violated outraged, want something done and this rapist locked up and the key thrown away. Fair enough. Some are sincere, they have every right to be and the case needs to get filed. Sometimes there are other motivations. Something called secondary gain. A murder case? Forget it where is the gain. Not saying this is what happened but this case is a poster child. A good prosecutor can tell. If you have the experience and are truly impartial it is not that difficult
I apologize to anyone that I upset with my post. I had a bit of a rough night. IMO, I believe that TSJ is innocent and I think the charges will eventually be dropped or a plea bargain will be worked out to eliminate the direct sexual crime. Only time will tell though. Everything is in God’s hands.
I don't think that you have anything to apologize about. This is a complex subject and HOPEFULLY it will be a topic that never comes up again. Outside of a couple of our insiders, the majority of us are just bouncing thoughts and ideas around.
You're a fan like everyone else and your opinion is as valid as everyone else's.
Well, there it is. We’re doomed.
danielb927
Orange Krush Class of 2013
- Rochester, MN
It's not about being woke or PC, it's about risk management. Define "inevitable"—how confident would you need to be that a settlement (or whatever) was forthcoming to lift the suspension before it's final? The expected reputational damage if you did that and then things fell through would seem quite significant...
In Josh We Trust.....AD and Lawyer
I am really quite perplexed by all the hand wringing and consternation by the impending lifting of this suspension. No one wants bad optics, but those of you acting like this is a rape or using that term in their posts are the worst optics. Whatever occurred, happened in a crowded public campus bar at 1:30 in the afternoon. There should have been dozens of independent witnesses to whatever occurred in that setting... and they have none. This case has smelled like BS from the jump, the fact it was ever charged is the only bad optics as I see it. Other fans might heckle him? I guarantee you they will, it's part of sports. TSJ and this team will not wilt because some goofs in the stands chant nonsense. This team doesn't need a safe space thankfully. Worried about what the rest of the country will think of us, who gives a... 99% of this country has no idea this suspension is even going on and have no idea who TSJ is. 50% of the people in this country couldn't find Illinois on a map. I don't think enrollment will fall, we aren't getting disbanded as a university, and I do not think donor money will dry up. The donors actually have brains and understand optics. Way too many people dreaming things up to be worried about for the sake of worrying. rant over.....
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The threat of a civil lawsuit as counter certainly is a chip on the table. If you drop this, we will agree not to file counter suit.
I believe a defamation award may be dischargeable in bankruptcy unless proven in an adversary hearing to be willful and malicious. Unlike a criminal case where a non-guilty verdict just means that guilt has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, in a civil defamation case and in a non-dischargeability hearing the trier of fact decides whether the allegation was more likely than not true (the more likely scenario). Winning the criminal trial does not automatically translate to liability for defamation. Generally speaking, I don't think someone alleging a sexual assault would be too concerned about civil damages unless the evidence was clear that it was a manufactured claim. And then the judgment might be discharged depending on the second trial in bankruptcy court. This would be an expensive process. You could threaten a defamation case but I would not think it would be worth pursuing as a practical matter unless the woman has a significant net worth. Likewise the threat would not be that big of a concern unless a high worth person.
The threat of a civil lawsuit as counter certainly is a chip on the table. If you drop this, we will agree not to file counter suit.
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Just passing this along: I’ve seen this board and TSJ threads get quoted elsewhere (reddit CollegeBasketball posts; audience size probably multiple several times what Loyalty is). Be aware your words could well have a wider audience than Loyalty.
This whole situation is being watched by many more than just this little Loyalty knitting circle.
This whole situation is being watched by many more than just this little Loyalty knitting circle.
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