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ugottabjoshinme

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TheChief4Life said:
@Kaks33, could you still respond to my question I posted here: https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/post/tsj-thread.33301/post-1990825

I'm genuinely confused by the statement, and I'm trying to figure out if that's your take, or what is actually happening. Thanks!
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I don't read it as having anything to do with him remaining on campus.

It sounds like no Title IX investigation occurred because it was off UI campus, and TSJ's lawyers are arguing it should still fall under Title IX because it was essentially a UI sponsored trip.
 
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Illiniam1984

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I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. In fact, I didn’t stay at any hotel last night so there you go!
 
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skyIdub

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illini55 said:
For that particular Certificate, you need to have stayed at an Aloft Hotel.
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BretMyBeachHouse

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winepros said:
The actual complaint has been released, I believe I saw it on Twitter. In my opinion, as a woman who believes women as a rule, there was not enough evidence there to have charged him with rape. Even if he is found to have done what is alleged (butt grabbing, and sticking his hand up her skirt), they should have at least investigated before moving on such serious charges. They didn't even question any witnesses (Justin Harmon, Hunter Dickinson, Lance McCullars, the grad assistant from Illinois). I'm not saying she's lying, but she may be mistaken. There's at least reasonable doubt, in my opinion.
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The complaint doesn't necessarily have the entirety of the investigation.
 
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Warren Carter Fanclub

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illini55 said:
I practiced for 30 years in Illinois, gave up my license when I retired, BUT slept in a Holiday Inn last week. Lo and behold, I received a letter from the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission today that I was reinstated with full privileges. You try to get out, but they just drag you back in!
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Same fact situation for me but I stayed at a Motel 6. Haven't received anything.
 
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ILLInNashville

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thechampishere said:
No matter which perspective you hold, it seems the overlooked issue here is that the allegations should not have been publicized through formal charges without thoroughly examining the incident and its witnesses. All of this could have transpired without subjecting either the accuser or the accused to the scrutiny of public judgment.
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This 1000%!!! Could not agree more.
 
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Frank

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Fighter of the Nightman said:
… Are we reading the same affidavit…? Or are you family and friends just assuming because he’s charged he’s guilty? Genuinely confused here, because the DA’s case looks beyond bad, lol.
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You're reading the affidavit as someone interested in how strong the charges are and whether there is evidence that TJ is guilty of what he's been both accused and charged with, as are most on this thread. Most people that aren't invested in this case will read the affidavit and see an event that could happen, that sounds compelling, and will likely read the circumstantial "evidence" as telling a stronger story than it really does in terms documentary evidence.

There is a big difference between the story and the case. The story may be compelling while the case may be really bad. Unfortunately, most in the public will focus on the story at this point. This is, presumably, what the DA is counting on too.
 
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Illini in Italy

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Frank said:
You're reading the affidavit as someone interested in how strong the charges are and whether there is evidence that TJ is guilty of what he's been both accused and charged with, as are most on this thread. Most people that aren't invested in this case will read the affidavit and see an event that could happen, that sounds compelling, and will likely read the circumstantial "evidence" as telling a stronger story than it really does in terms documentary evidence.

There is a big difference between the story and the case. The story may be compelling while the case may be really bad. Unfortunately, most in the public will focus on the story at this point in the events. This is, presumably, exactly what the DA is counting on too.
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I had a professor give the very best explanation of circumstantial evidence and the defense/prosecutor relationship ever:

Imagine that the evidence being examined/discussed is a dotted line pointing from the evidence to the accused. The prosecutor's job is to make the gaps as small as possible for the deciding party (judge or jury), while the defense attorney's job is to make the gaps as large and inconsistent as possible, large enough to drive a Mack truck containing reasonable doubt through.

"If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."

- Carl Sandburg
 
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Krombopulos_Michael

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LvilleILL said:
This makes me so mad. Will go into more details at a later date
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Assumption here is that as referenced in the tweet from Goodman the university is fighting the TRO that will substantially delay any chance of him returning? Should we have any confidence he’s going to return this year given the latest development?
 
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