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The University will always have its own interest top of mind in any decision they make, whether it's a potential first-round NBA pick, or an employee posting about free food on campus.
I understand the complexity. But we are also dealing with a student athletes future .Would we think it was unfair if this was happening to an athlete from another school charged with a felony? I’m sure the answer to that varies from our community but let’s not pretend that this is that black and white.
Geeze, “The University first resisted and informed Mr. Campolargo that he was not allowed to be represented by a lawyer in their disciplinary proceedings.”The University will always have its own interest top of mind in any decision they make, whether it's a potential first-round NBA pick, or an employee posting about free food on campus.
So no suspension ever for a student-athlete charged with criminal misconduct unless/until they’ve been convicted?Perhaps others would not feel it unfair absent personal interest but if the full facts of this case were known to me, then yes I would still judge the circumstances in opposition to the athlete's core natural and legal rights. Very black and white for me.
Just as it's very black and white that if the accusations are proven after due process, then it would not matter that's it's TSJ. Or even, if the full OSCR investigation occurred in compliance with applicable rights, then I would support the suspension.
Following policy…Athletic Department doesn’t have any other recourse unless a higher authority orders themSo what is Illinois response supposed to be? I can't see Illinois super motivated to make a strong case for why Shannon should remain suspended.
Yes, with the same supposed fact situation I would think it was unfair, even if that athlete was from a different school.....unless that school was playing against The Beloved in the near future.Would we think it was unfair if this was happening to an athlete from another school charged with a felony? I’m sure the answer to that varies from our community but let’s not pretend that this is that black and white.
You have to be a certain age to understand this, but yes there is waxy yellow buildup here.I feel like I started watching a show on Netflix because of my peers with similar interests. I hate it, but I just keep watching because I like the main character even though the storyline has plot holes.
So no suspension ever for a student-athlete charged with criminal misconduct unless/until they’ve been convicted?
And that's a huge issue. There's definitely training that needs to be done on issues like this and I'm sure they have some. But it's something that should be beat into the guys. At the same time you can't just let someone go based on an accusation. You'll lose money.I have a sense that the policy was written with intention, rather than execution in mind. The fact that serious charges may take months or years to resolve in court may have escaped the brilliant minds that put the policy together.
To TSJ and Illini basketball fans, it might feel that way.but then isn’t the policy unfair?
Strawman.
But I'd strongly favor, absent additional information, that no suspension is valid unless they've gone through a full and fair due process evaluation, in compliance with legal and constitutional rights. See UUIC OSCR policy.
Technically, that's the way the legal system works. Although, you could have your own investigation and find things on your own. If something bad likes this has happened. It usually is something that is a behavioral.So no suspension ever for a student-athlete charged with criminal misconduct unless/until they’ve been convicted?
I am so tired of the all or nothing people. You can create policies that are better suited for situations like this. The current policies are reactionary to behaviors and policies that ignored bad behavior and in some circumstances covered up. Policies like that are wrong as well. You can't tell me there is not a better way.Strawman.
But I'd strongly favor, absent additional information, that no suspension is valid unless they've gone through a full and fair due process evaluation, in compliance with legal and constitutional rights. See UUIC OSCR policy.
There may be, but don't assume it is at all easy to come up with such policy without it ever being tested in a courtroom.I am so tired of the all or nothing people. You can create policies that are better suited for situations like this. The current policies are reactionary to behaviors and policies that ignored bad behavior and in some circumstances covered up. Policies like that are wrong as well. You can't tell me there is not a better way.
The way our legal system works is that a defendant cannot be imprisoned until a conviction occurs. They can face countless other negative consequences based merely on a charge, such as job loss, and there’s no constitutional protection for that.Technically, that's the way the legal system works. Although, you could have your own investigation and find things on your own. If something bad likes this has happened. It usually is something that is a behavioral.
Sounds like it’s in the judges hands now.Any news today from our beloved insiders?
We will see. The preliminary hearing will very likely happen in a couple of weeks, whether or not the TRO is granted. People in the know seem to think the TRO is a coin flip-could go either way. I think he has a pretty good argument but we will seeAny news today from our beloved insiders?
I missed the part where the school is putting TSJ to death, locking him up, or repossessing his home. Those are the things against which the due process clause of the Constitution protects.Strawman.
But I'd strongly favor, absent additional information, that no suspension is valid unless they've gone through a full and fair due process evaluation, in compliance with legal and constitutional rights. See UUIC OSCR policy.
Overall, I can see both sides of the argument. But if TJ is unable to play basketball until this case is over, that’s the equivalent of taking his home. That’ll cost him millions, if not 10s of millions.I missed the part where the school is putting TSJ to death, locking him up, or repossessing his home. Those are the things against which the due process clause of the Constitution protects.
This is Illinois. If it's a coin flip we already know it's flicking us directly in the nuts.We will see. The preliminary hearing will very likely happen in a couple of weeks, whether or not the TRO is granted. People in the know seem to think the TRO is a coin flip-could go either way. I think he has a pretty good argument but we will see
Due process, as a protection provided by the Constitution, goes beyond the three examples you cited. More generally, due process as part of the 14th amendment prohibits the state from depriving any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.I missed the part where the school is putting TSJ to death, locking him up, or repossessing his home. Those are the things against which the due process clause of the Constitution protects.