TSJ Thread
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Judge deferred the ruling according to Andy Olson WCIA
So, if I took away your opportunity to buy a lottery ticket, you would have the right to damages?
I see what you're trying to say, but understand that TSJ has a team of attorneys who have brought an entire court case based on the premise that missing games hurts his value as a basketball player.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Do you think that’s the same logically? My odds of winning the lottery are very low, and none of my abilities or hard work can change that. TSJ already has a good chance of making the NBA, per experts who analyze that for a living, and he is playing extremely well - better than he had been in any previous year, showing linear improvement.
Not necessarily bad news…
Exactly. He already has that and isn't losing it by not playing. That's my point.
Krombopulos_Michael
- Aurora, Illinois (that’s a suburb of Chicago)
Does anyone feel good about this?
I don't think DIA panel can or should weigh the evidence of whether a rape occurred here. How can they? The charge depends upon almost entirely upon the credibility of the accuser. Is she available to the DIA for cross-examination? Are they going to inquire into her past sexual conduct (no rape shield law before DIA)? Bring in character witnesses for and against her? You are asking the DIA (and the Court by extension) to say that they don't believe the accuser. Alternatively, you are asking them to find that the athlete's right to participate in his sport outweighs the policy of zero tolerance for sexual assault.Look man, I don’t want to go in circles about legal technicalities pertaining to this case … IANAL, and I have tried not to opine to much on that. Is the below not our disagreement here? If not, you’re just being argumentative and trying to come across as the smartest guy in the room.
I do not believe a charge, in and of itself, should immediately halt a person’s life. And I believe organizations like the DIA should start with the presumption that TSJ is innocent. They could then of course use the evidence available to decide if that presumption is rational. For example, Ray Rice was legally innocent until convicted, but there was video evidence that he slammed his wife down in an elevator … that’s a perfectly reasonable “trigger” to remove the presumption of innocence. On the flip side, I believe an organization can rationally decide the evidence (so far) for the charge is so weak as to allow for the legal process to play out before reprimanding the individual … and I think this case warrants that. I don’t care what organizations have done in recent history - I’m just stating my opinion. If your organization’s individual adamantly maintains his innocence and the available charge details do NOT look convincing, I do NOT believe he should be temporarily punished for as-of-yet unknown evidence that MIGHT make it look worse.
At the end of the day, I really don’t have that strong of an opinion on what the DIA should ACT on, given our culture’s climate and legal realities on which I’m not an expert - and I have said previously that I’m glad I don’t have to make this decision. I’m merely giving my personal moral opinion, and I’m taking issue with some who seem to be talking down to others as if they’re just “not getting it” because they prefer an approach where Illinois has TJ’s back for now.
To end on a lighter note, this resembles a debate on the Oxford Comma … no objectively right answer, as it’s a stylistic choice that removes OR adds ambiguity depending on context, but one side is acting way more smug about their subjective opinion being like “more informed,” lol.
Unfortunately, it is the role of the DA and the Kansas court to decide if these charges should continue. By extension, this makes it their decision whether or not TSJ should be able to compete. While prosecutorial discretion usually protects people from weak charges, that is the breaks here. The police officer and not the Kansas DA stated that probable cause exists, and it is not just on the word of the accuser but her friend that stated she was emotionally shaken following the time of the alleged incident.
As much as I want to see TSJ playing in the next game - as I have been saying for some time, I don't see it happening unless the charges disappear for whatever reason.
Now, that does not mean I disagree with TSJ trying to get the TRO (I don't know all the facts or law) and it is generally worth a shot even if it is a long one. You make all your arguments, even if you might think they are weak, because ultimately it is the Court that decides how good they are.
IAAL but this is out of my area of expertise.
OTOH nobody expected a ruling today, I don't think
Kind of... judge could have ruled against him today, instead she is considering it.
chiefini
- Rockford, Illinois
Only way to feel good about this is that it is not already a ruling against the TRO, I think…
I do. This is better than straight up denying it. I think it means the judge will be reviewing everything in more detail
So the judge really just said "The previous play is under review, and I'm gonna take a couple days to think about it. We'll resume this game next week sometime, whenever I feel the time is right."
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
The number of first round NBA picks (let alone lottery) who didn't play the last half of their senior season (or comparable if they're overseas) is probably very limited. I didn't find anything useful online and nothing is popping in to my crappy memory.
Lol... Welp, see you next week. Same bat time, same bat channel.
Odds shoot up to +2500
they would be way less than that. if it was that large she would have made a ruiling
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